| 05:50pm, 18th Nov 2006 |
Why do we admire art? |
neo
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Msg no: 869428
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we need more threads like this on main! |
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| 05:51pm, 18th Nov 2006 |
Why do we admire art? |
Fojee_Rajpuri
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Msg no: 869429
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With special thanks to neobhai for the inspiration, of course. |
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| 06:56pm, 18th Nov 2006 |
Why do we admire art? |
hula_hoops
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Msg no: 869431
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it makes us appreciate what we cant do  |
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| 07:25pm, 18th Nov 2006 |
Why do we admire art? |
elimin8
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Msg no: 869432
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a more philosophical and further reasoning question would be...
WHAT is art? |
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| 04:09am, 19th Nov 2006 |
Why do we admire art? |
capsette
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Msg no: 869436
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WHAT is art?
SP really should answer, but to me its essentially an allegorical representation of 'something'.
The reason for putting it into a new context is to give a new definition that helps people understand it better or redfine the context you're using. I'm using the word allegory in a non-traditional sense (im including non-physical things like music) but essentially its about the 'thought' or 'idea' you're trying to express.
A love song takes intangible feelings of mushyness and puts them in the context of a song. Or the beatles try to represent an acid trip 'in music'. Or Boccioni tries to put the feeling of dynaminism and movement into statues. Or you take an apple and write a poem expressing in words how applely it is.
Obviously the fact that people are willing to pay major moolah for really crappy and mediocre ideas is itself an ironic representation of the anti-intellectualism present in modern society.
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| 06:18pm, 19th Nov 2006 |
Why do we admire art? |
binks
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Msg no: 869439
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the thing that makes art so interesting is the fact that everyone can interpret the same piece in so many different ways. |
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| 08:25pm, 19th Nov 2006 |
Why do we admire art? |
capsette
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Msg no: 869441
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^I disagree, that tends towards pareidolia. If anyone can interpret as they wish the work has no inherent worth. You might as well take a random pile of rubbish and talk about how it represents the cold war. |
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| 09:08pm, 19th Nov 2006 |
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suk_my_chitterjuicE
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Msg no: 869442
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capsette, ur one of the reasons i keep returning to this site, i learn so much reading ur posts
thenk you :) |
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| 05:38am, 20th Nov 2006 |
Why do we admire art? |
capsette
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Msg no: 869443
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<3 one less hater :(
though you don't have to thank me for anything! |
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| 03:46pm, 20th Nov 2006 |
Why do we admire art? |
suk_my_chitterjuicE
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Msg no: 869453
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i dont hate, i appreciate...
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| 05:54pm, 20th Nov 2006 |
Why do we admire art? |
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Msg no: 869456
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capsette, dear u can occasionally be thoroughly annoying.
ofcourse everyone could have a differing stance on interpretation.
also taking into account that it is the artists interpretation on the world which is the most interesting; take people for instance, Pollock, his 'scribbles'- i stood there looking at his work and just felt confused, but i respect (heh), his ability to intepret his view on the world, and if he couldnt portray that and fill the viewer with awe- he wont be selling nowt.
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| 05:55pm, 20th Nov 2006 |
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Red_Chillies
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Msg no: 869457
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| 06:36pm, 20th Nov 2006 |
Why do we admire art? |
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Msg no: 869458
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"^I disagree, that tends towards pareidolia. If anyone can interpret as they wish the work has no inherent worth. You might as well take a random pile of rubbish and talk about how it represents the cold war."
i see what you mean. but there's always going to be a presence of that in the sense that it's the fact that people have different interpretations of art that leads to so much variation within artists in the first place. |
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| 08:15pm, 20th Nov 2006 |
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capsette
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Msg no: 869461
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[ofcourse everyone could have a differing stance on interpretation.]
But then wassa the artist for? :(
You've made something little more than a talking point.
[also taking into account that it is the artists interpretation on the world which is the most interesting; take people for instance, Pollock, his 'scribbles'- i stood there looking at his work and just felt confused, but i respect (heh), his ability to intepret his view on the world, and if he couldnt portray that and fill the viewer with awe- he wont be selling nowt.]
Nah, see im in the skool of thought that pollock's work is a pile of random shit. It's little more than a decorative piece dressed up in the emperors new clothes. The most interesting aspects of pollock's work are the columns and columns of bullshit that are written to try and conjure up a reason it shouldn't be thrown in the skip.
Everyone is afraid to look stupid so they keep eulogizing it. Maybe in some ironic meta-dimensional-post-modernist-aren't-i-clever
sense he meant people to stand around and start talking about nothing and from the randomness create order, but i think it far more likely he went 'blah'
I'm willing to accept that insisting on a coherent and articulate reason for you creating something sometimes means the artist goes into 'gimmic' mode but i think its worth the danger. |
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| 08:21pm, 20th Nov 2006 |
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Msg no: 869462
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[i see what you mean. but there's always going to be a presence of that in the sense that it's the fact that people have different interpretations of art that leads to so much variation within artists in the first place.
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ok ok, im willing to accept a personal interpretation of something because its important to you. So you take a song that a writer wrote about 'something' and you interpret its words to suit yourself. But there still has to be some coherence to the writing process.
Admitedly you could just go off on one and start jabbering semi-coherently, which is what some do, but then they get locked up. |
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| 08:21pm, 20th Nov 2006 |
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capsette
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Msg no: 869463
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^meh |
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| 05:20pm, 21st Nov 2006 |
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Msg no: 869476
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'Admitedly you could just go off on one and start jabbering semi-coherently, which is what some do, but then they get locked up.'
no, they'r called Girls Aloud.
i have more to say, and i have thoughts about Mr Picasso's piece on war- u know its doing my head in, i cant remember which artist it was- may not even be picasso himself- an amazing piece-argh!!
anyway, a picture has been used for political conveyance, blah di blah, im in my knickers blah.
i might write more if i can be bothered. |
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| 05:20pm, 21st Nov 2006 |
Why do we admire art? |
Red_Chillies
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Msg no: 869477
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| 01:36am, 22nd Nov 2006 |
Why do we admire art? |
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Msg no: 869493
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red chillies do you mean Picasso's 'The Guernica'? The one about the WW2?
Why do we admire art?
It's difficult to give an answer for 'we,' so give an answer for 'I'.. Always.
Support the arts people. Go and see the shows, read up on artists.. and if you can without getting caught 'feel'..
People who are closed minded about it, I feel haven't really experienced it through a different set of eyes. Artists give talk and do workshops about their shows. People need to go and visit them.
The Jackson Pollack..
A load of lines and splatters the viewer sees? Well thats true.. However, there are a lot of layers that create a piece. Discover them and take your time to understand it. If you don't want to then that's fine.
Don't be afriad to shout 'THIS IS BOLLOX'.. (although, I will never forget that one bloke who said that about my own work) so make sure the artist ain't around.
And there's no shame to read the blurbs @ art shows! They're written to help the viewer understand the pieces.
Great shows to go and see right now:
Surrealism @ Tate Modern
David Hockney @ National Portrait Gallery.
I love video art.
When you start talking about video art I shall be back.
A great book for everyone to get about art.. The Shock of the New by Robert Hughes.
yeah, I know my comments will most likely be ripped apart and disected the fuck out of.
20 works of art to see before you die:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/slideshow/page/0,,1935130,00.html
Guernica is number 18.
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| 06:05pm, 22nd Nov 2006 |
Why do we admire art? |
Red_Chillies
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Msg no: 869517
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Yes!! thats the one!!
thank you no name- who are you?
if you do manage to have the time, do tell me about ur art, and video art... |
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| 07:17pm, 23rd Nov 2006 |
Why do we admire art? |
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Msg no: 869538
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art allows us to say the unsayable, it questions the status quo, makes us think, makes us realize life/the world is bigger than our petty acts and thoughts and finally allows us to feel part of that whole, which is why it can have "redeeming" , rejuvenating quality like religion or an orgasm does. |
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| 07:24pm, 23rd Nov 2006 |
Why do we admire art? |
dogbrain
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Msg no: 869539
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orgasm?
better do the tate modern more offen |
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| 07:27pm, 23rd Nov 2006 |
Why do we admire art? |
dogbrain
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Msg no: 869540
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its looking at all them nudes... |
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| 12:58pm, 27th Nov 2006 |
Why do we admire art? |
DRJATTI
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Msg no: 869589
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'everything we create is art until we labelise/censor/water it down/etc/etc'
art is classless. It's for all, the haves and the have nots.
embrace it and all its beauty/uglyness |
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| 09:28am, 29th Nov 2006 |
Why do we admire art? |
inders
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Msg no: 869610
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I feel sorry for people who cannot see beyond their prison bars of form. |
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| 12:59pm, 4th May 2008 |
Why do we admire art? |
Fojee_Rajpuri
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Msg no: 878102
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You bunch of hippies. |
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| 02:36pm, 4th May 2008 |
Why do we admire art? |
Red_Indian
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Msg no: 878111
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I do like this thread oh so much. A valid question in a period of diminishing interest in art. Despite the visiting numbers of say Tate Modern being high, alot of people I've met leave not understanding what they saw, but leave feeling cultured. :|
I enjoy art, and I think it is a fantastic form of representing the status of the artist at the time. It is from this representation one can draw their own feelings and meanings.
Somebody mentioned here that everybody has an individual response and interpretation from art. When looking at a lot of 19th century art, the artist would purposely place a number of signs and symbols which can only be understood if the reader is aware of what they mean.
I sure do not admire a lot of modern art though, a dot on a plain white canvas is not art. I think it needs to show the unique talent of the artist, to help understand/feel the world around you. What talent is in the dot?
Alot of modern artists almost just blag their way through to the top and apply any enlightened meaning to a pile of crap, literal crap.
We do all have the right to say our opinion, but we should at least try to understand what is on display. |
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| 03:10pm, 4th May 2008 |
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Fojee_Rajpuri
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Msg no: 878112
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Thank you, Red Indian, for your thought-provoking insight.
Not that I read any of it.
HAR HAAAR!  |
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| 03:54pm, 4th May 2008 |
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Red_Indian
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Msg no: 878118
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:(
I'm crying now, really. |
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| 07:26pm, 4th May 2008 |
Why do we admire art? |
Fojee_Rajpuri
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Msg no: 878196
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Sissy. |
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| 09:00pm, 4th May 2008 |
Why do we admire art? |
numb
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Msg no: 878216
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hmmm
i'm with the open interpretation explanation for it. i think the fact that a different peice can show different people different things tends to intruige.
another thing might be that it lets you see something through the eyes of another through their art? ...so another perspective/ interpretation/lalalala.
and because it's purteh and makes you all trendy lyk. |
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