| 10:31am, 5th Nov 2004 |
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d33p
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 809615
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someone tape it and put it online for the rest of us who dont get channel 4! |
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| 10:32am, 5th Nov 2004 |
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Noor
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Msg no: 809616
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Faddy we need you! |
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| 11:54am, 5th Nov 2004 |
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sunny
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 809629
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lok forward to what the hoo-haa is all about
/sunny |
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| 12:33pm, 5th Nov 2004 |
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gezzer
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Msg no: 809644
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Wait till their support comes on this thread and they shall show you.
Good post anyway Noor. |
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| 12:39pm, 5th Nov 2004 |
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Ams
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Msg no: 809647
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sounds interesting -shame i dont have beeb4 :( |
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| 12:40pm, 5th Nov 2004 |
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gezzer
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 809650
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Aint bbc4 available on sky digtial? |
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| 12:44pm, 5th Nov 2004 |
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sunray
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Msg no: 809651
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dont wet yourself gezzer.
thats just a joke by the way and dont take it seriously.
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| 12:51pm, 5th Nov 2004 |
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gezzer
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 809652
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Im wearing huggies in sheer anticaption for this.
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| 12:54pm, 5th Nov 2004 |
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faddy
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 809653
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if people want it, i`ll release it the day after its been broadcasted..
*sets the sky+* |
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| 01:02pm, 5th Nov 2004 |
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S0n4li
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Msg no: 809654
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I totally condone the godhra violence and riots.
I don't think you can equate islamist terrorism with "hindu facism" or hindu hardliners.
"it alarmingly suggests that Adolf Hitler's and Benito Mussolini's inventions were not confined to Europe."
I agree it is an alarming suggestion. Considering both nazism and facism are based on western notion of "socialism" -a marxist ideal.
Will certainly watch it. |
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| 01:23pm, 5th Nov 2004 |
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Noor
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 809655
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I don't think you can equate islamist terrorism with "hindu facism" or hindu hardliners.
S0n4li - let's not get bogged down in rhetoric. You can equate them in the simple terms of being 'not good'.
Oh, and regarding your comment:
Considering both nazism and facism are based on western notion of "socialism" -a marxist ideal.
- Try this little activity I call The Political Spectrum Sprint. Run as far as you can to your left, I mean out of sight, and there you'll find the marxists and communists. Then slowly walk back to your starting position (careful not to get a stitch). Now, after a short rest to catch your breath, run as far as you can to your right (chase that horizon!), and there you'll find the nazis and facists. Understandy?! Aaaaand relax! |
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| 01:30pm, 5th Nov 2004 |
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PhatBoy
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Msg no: 809658
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^^ My teacher used to call something similar to that "the political rubber band theory," ^^ |
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| 01:36pm, 5th Nov 2004 |
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S0n4li
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Msg no: 809661
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Terroism is Pure Evil you cannot down size to "not good"
Nazi = short for National Socialism
Lets agree to disagree. ;) |
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| 01:42pm, 5th Nov 2004 |
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Noor
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Msg no: 809662
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S0n4li - I understand the point you're trying to make, but really - do degrees of evil even matter? Evil is evil. Mind blowingly huge numbers of innocent people dying - evil. Taking the love out of faith and replacing it with hate - evil. It's not worth debating who's more evil - that's just silly.
Oh, and let's agree to agree with me. ;) |
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| 01:50pm, 5th Nov 2004 |
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S0n4li
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 809664
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Comparing Evil with Evil - I agree.
Equating "Terrorism" with "hard line views" - I don't agree.
sorry ;)
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| 01:52pm, 5th Nov 2004 |
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sunny
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Msg no: 809665
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well terrorism is killing innocent people, and nazism is killing innocent people who yo don't like, possibly based on racial differences.
at least terrorists don't discriminate on race.
/sunny |
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| 01:55pm, 5th Nov 2004 |
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Harps
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Msg no: 809666
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Terrorism is terrorism regardless.
A muslim who straps a bomb to himself and blows up a bus full of jews is a terrorist.
A Hindu involved in the slayings of his neighbours in the gujerat is a terrorist.
Anybody who thinks differently is blatently talking out of there arse.
Theres bastards in all religions.
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| 01:58pm, 5th Nov 2004 |
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Noor
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Msg no: 809669
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What about comparing dead Hindu's with dead Muslim's?
I don't know what religioud stand-point you're coming from, or what your particular political convictions are. But whomever carries out terrorism on innocent people, i.e. killing them, is as evil as is evil as is evil. Whether they be Gujarati or Iraqi or Ingraisi. Whichever ideology or faith they claim to follow.
Simple as that. |
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| 02:07pm, 5th Nov 2004 |
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S0n4li
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 809673
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how about:-
Neighbours involved in killing each other is evil. Terrorism is evil.
Basterds in all religions.
100% with you all. |
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| 02:10pm, 5th Nov 2004 |
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Noor
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 809676
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Sure. Anyone killing innocent civilians is wrong. |
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| 10:08pm, 5th Nov 2004 |
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SuryaVansh
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Msg no: 809744
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The reason for the Godhra riots was the burning of 50+ hindus in the train- had the Hindus have not been attacked and burned the riots would not have happened. And remember the riots were not one way- 1/3 of all killed were Hindus... even though Hindus are the vast majority in gujarat.
And by the way when is the documentary on the ethnic cleansing of Hindus in Kashmir and Bangladesh by muslim fundamentalists coming out? |
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| 10:26pm, 5th Nov 2004 |
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Basic
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Msg no: 809746
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I think the Muslim camp has been bashed enough Suryavansh, I think its refreshing and reassuring that Muslims are'nt the only evil ppl out there. Surely we do something right aswell. |
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| 02:17pm, 6th Nov 2004 |
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Paneer_Tikka
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Msg no: 809780
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Some people here are too stupid to see that comparing Gujarat riots which lasted for a relatively short time (casualties circa 2 thousand), to Hitler's "final solution" (casualties circa 6 million) is just pure stupid.
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| 02:29pm, 8th Nov 2004 |
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Basic
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 809998
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Paneer so just because 2000 people died in communal violence it makes it all ok does it?  |
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| 02:43pm, 8th Nov 2004 |
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Caps_lock
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Msg no: 810001
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Actually paneer comparing the underlying racism and vitriol spouted by politicians and civic leaders is comparable, id agree that the order of magnitude of deaths isnt but if you look at the final paragraph of the artist formally known and bg you'll see what im on about.
S0n4li ill say it once ill say it twice, if you pay me ill even say it thrice
word play does not equal an argument
from political compass because its explanation was the clearest ive come across
Why is Hitler slightly right ? The Nazis were socialists, so they weren't fascists either.
Let's start with the second part first. Some respondents confuse Nazism, a political party platform, with fascism, which is a particular structure of government. Fascism legally sanctions the persecution of a particular group within the country - political, ethnic, religious - whatever. So within Nazism there are elements of fascism, as well as militarism, capitalism, socialism etc. To tar all socialists with the national socialist brush is as absurd as citing Bill Gates and Augusto Pinochet in the same breath as examples of free market capitalism.
Economically, Hitler was well to the right of Stalin. Post-war investigations led to a number of revelations about the cosy relationship between German corporations and the Reich. No such scandals subsequently surfaced in Russia, because Stalin had totally squashed the private sector. By contrast, once in power, the Nazis achieved rearmament through deficit spending. One of our respondents has correctly pointed out that they actively discouraged demand increases because they wanted infrastructure investment. Under the Reich, corporations were largely left to govern themselves, with the incentive that if they kept prices under control, they would be rewarded with government contracts. Hardly a socialist economic agenda !
We wonder if respondents who insist on uncritically accepting the Nazis' self-definition of 'socialist' would be quite as eager to believe that the German Democratic Republic was democratic.
Incidentally, on fascism, no less an authority than Benito Mussolini declared: Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism, as it is a merge of state and corporate power. |
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| 02:45pm, 8th Nov 2004 |
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Harps
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 810002
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Paneer - genocide is genocide
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| 03:38pm, 8th Nov 2004 |
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gezzer
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 810007
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Its on next sunday at 22.30.
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| 08:14pm, 8th Nov 2004 |
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Fire
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Msg no: 810050
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i was going to go see this at the cinema. its about 2 1/2 hours long tho. i hope bbc 2 show it at some point. |
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| 09:27pm, 8th Nov 2004 |
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paulie_walnuts
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Msg no: 810055
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SuryaVansh - u havin a laugh.
ethnic cleansing of hindus in kashmir!!!!....i think u need to wake up mate.
as far as the bangladesh thing goes, then pakistan, not MUSLIMS need to hold their hands up...there was mass murder in bangladesh...murder commited in the name of a country, not religion.....having said that it doesnt excuse what happened.
the difference between the program and what u said is that one is in the name of religion and the other in the name of nationality....again, im not excusing what happened, just making distinction.
The reason for the Godhra riots was the burning of 50+ hindus in the train- had the Hindus have not been attacked and burned the riots would not have happened
according to reports, the fires were started after a muslim girl was dragged into a train cabbin and od knows what was being done to her...and these reports were from hindu witnesses and appeared in several indian daily papers at the time.
u got things twisted mate
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| 09:34pm, 8th Nov 2004 |
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gezzer
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 810059
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There is ethnic cleansing of hindus in Kashmir that cannot be denied. Over 800,000 pandits are in refugee camps in Dehli. Most flee attacks from radicals who come into the region.
As for bangladesh there has been growing resentment to the hindu community who makes up 10% of the population. This has come in the form of attacks on property and even worse with murders.
But one thing is that when attrocites are mentioned people always hit back with what the "other side" has done. How about condemnation for them all. I mean a muslim can quite easily hit back by pointing out the brutal treatment of muslims at the hands of the indian army in kashmir. |
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| 09:48pm, 8th Nov 2004 |
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TVGUIDE
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Msg no: 810060
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Sunday 14th November, BBC4
DOCUMENTARY: Hindu Nation
21:00 to 21:50
Mark Tully reports on the collapse of secularism in India and the flourishing Hindu nationalism, accompanied by intolerance and even violence, which is threatening the traditional values of the world's largest democracy.
DOCUMENTARY: India: Final Solution
21:50 to 23:20
Rakesh Sharma's award winning documentary depicting the politics of hate and violence dividing the Muslim and Hindu communities in Gujarat State, western India. Deadly violence followed the burning of 58 Hindus on the Sabarmati Express train at Godhra on February 27 2002. In retaliation, some 2,500 Muslims were murdered, hundreds of women raped, and more than 200,000 families driven from their homes.
DOCUMENTARY: Kashmir: Paradise Lost
23:20 to 00:05
Mark Tully examines the conflict between India and Pakistan over the Kashmir border, a dispute which has its roots in the countries' independence from Britain. India and Pakistan's recent development of nuclear capabilities has transformed a regional problem into a global concern.
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| 01:44am, 11th Nov 2004 |
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sunny
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 810388
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this sunday!
/sunny |
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| 04:40pm, 13th Nov 2004 |
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sunny
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 811044
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tomorrow! need to remind myself...
there's some other programmes on hinduism before this too...
/sunny |
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| 04:56pm, 13th Nov 2004 |
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inders
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 811047
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Considering both nazism and facism are based on western notion of "socialism" -a marxist ideal.
Not quite correct. Although Socialism does lead to top-down implemenation of rules to herd people nto a particular direction, national socialism places most of its emphasis on the world national. |
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| 06:28pm, 13th Nov 2004 |
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Jatt_Sikh
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Msg no: 811068
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i think this program has been re-scheduled due to eid and diwali, the bbc didnt want to be a catalyst for any trouble the program may cause!! what a joke |
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| 10:20pm, 13th Nov 2004 |
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faddy
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 811092
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none of these programs are being shown.. why not |
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| 02:09am, 14th Nov 2004 |
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TVGUIDE
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 811115
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ALL 3 PROGRAMMES RESHEDULED. No date set yet.
Info about the documentaries:
Hindu Nation
India: Final Solution |
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| 04:21pm, 20th Mar 2005 |
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BeardedGenius
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Msg no: 827622
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These two programmes are on BBC four tonight.
21:00 Hindu Nation
Sir Mark Tully travels through India examining how the collapse of secularism has created a vacuum in which Hindu nationalism is flourishing.
He reveals the threat posed to India's tradition of religious pluralism by the growing intolerance and violence of the advocates of a Hindu nation. The tradition of religious pluralism, he argues, can only be restored by a return to the religious tolerance and unity embodied by Mahatma Gandhi.
21:50 India - Final Solution: Storyville
Deadly violence followed the burning of 59 Hindus on the Sabarmati Express train at Godhra on 27 February 2002. In retaliation, nearly 1,000 Muslims were murdered. The race hate is fanned by the BJP party.
Filmed between February 2002 and July 2003, this is director Rakesh Sharma's award-winning account of the politics of hate and violence that are tearing apart the Muslim and Hindu communities in the western state of Gujarat.
Contains very strong language and disturbing scenes.
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| 05:03pm, 20th Mar 2005 |
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neo
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 827624
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at last! |
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| 05:04pm, 20th Mar 2005 |
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neo
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 827625
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i wonder why they arnt showing the original schedule of the kashmir programme too.
(as shown earlier in the thread by tvguide)
DOCUMENTARY: Kashmir: Paradise Lost
23:20 to 00:05
Mark Tully examines the conflict between India and Pakistan over the Kashmir border, a dispute which has its roots in the countries' independence from Britain. India and Pakistan's recent development of nuclear capabilities has transformed a regional problem into a global concern. |
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| 09:59pm, 20th Mar 2005 |
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saf
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 827652
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i think riots like these prove that the indian hindu raj has been more barbaric than the british raj
my family comes from indian punjab, UP and if as a muslim i had to choose between these 2 alternatives, i would rather live in the white man's british raj but certainly not in a hindu-dominated government |
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| 10:03pm, 20th Mar 2005 |
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lal_chand_holmfirth
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Msg no: 827655
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this is really sad stuff |
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| 10:16pm, 20th Mar 2005 |
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outlaw_nas
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Msg no: 827656
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damn bbc4
isnt it coming on bbc1/bbc2 |
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| 11:44pm, 20th Mar 2005 |
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neo
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Msg no: 827677
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wow. powerful stuff. and very informative. im glad my parents came over here (via nairobi) and hence never grew up there. |
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| 11:47pm, 20th Mar 2005 |
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some_guy
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Msg no: 827678
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taari ghan neo. |
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| 11:48pm, 20th Mar 2005 |
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neo
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 827680
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i hope u watched it someguy! u can learn a lot from it young man  |
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| 11:50pm, 20th Mar 2005 |
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sunray
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 827681
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looks like it was made by some mad fanatical Muslim
the point being it was all negative against the Hindus, not that threr is a positive side.
But at a time when Hindus and Muslims are showing friendshipp with each other
you get this shit which ignites the fire and it starts all over again.
British propoganda?
and
who is this Rakesh Sharma?
what did he gain from this programme?
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| 11:53pm, 20th Mar 2005 |
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neo
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 827684
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well as a young kid i was only ever hearing the other side of the story. im very happy to be hearing the side i never hear.
and common sense tells u that not every single hindu/muslim thinks like the crazy lot in the program. its not the majority. we're educated enough to know here. |
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| 11:55pm, 20th Mar 2005 |
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some_guy
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 827686
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exactly sunray, just when it was beginning to calm down between indians and muslims.
rakesh sharma is hindu i think, not muslim. which is y im thinking what the fuck is he on? so much twisted and over exagerated shit in his movie.
neo just shut your face. make sure u are ready for 2moro. doubles again. |
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| 11:59pm, 20th Mar 2005 |
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neo
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 827688
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how would this fuel more riots/hatred? this wont be shown in india. and ppl here are generally educated enuff to know not to behave like those uneducated/brainwashed lot.
the media are there to report stuff like this. esp when theres so much cover ups.
what happened there is too massive to cover up and forget. |
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| 12:00am, 21st Mar 2005 |
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sunray
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 827691
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I can make a damn good programme showing Muslims hating Hindus too.
It was all mind games. Using children, how low can you get.
Then showing happy Hindu faces and in the next you get sad Muslims faces.
There is a distinct hate pattern against the Hindus in the way it was shown.
The BBC are loving it.
Yeah let us Hindus and Muslims now fight.
Isnt that what the purpose of the programme was all about?
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| 12:01am, 21st Mar 2005 |
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some_guy
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 827693
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neo, u see me as one of them "uneducated lot/brainwashed lot", how about strika and the rest. im sure u know what im talking about. |
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| 12:03am, 21st Mar 2005 |
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sunray
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 827694
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neo
"how would this fuel more riots/hatred? this wont be shown in india. and ppl here are generally educated enuff to know not to behave like those uneducated/brainwashed lot."
you sound so naive at times.
and as for Indians they are not uneducated and definetly not brainwashed. they are more openminded then you know.
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| 12:04am, 21st Mar 2005 |
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neo
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 827695
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i notice a knee jerk reaction from u similar to the style of the nutters in the programme.
someone points out something bad of hindu's and they react with something bad about the muslims.
do u see how childish this type of thinking is?
if the programme was called "bad stuff about muslims and hindu's" and it only showed bad hindu stuff, then yeah we'd be pissed off. but its not, its about the hindu side of things. |
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| 12:06am, 21st Mar 2005 |
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Basic
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 827696
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cough cough SUNRAY cough cough THE DIRECTOR WAS A HINDU cough cough STOPMAKINANASSOFYASELF cough cough!
I really need to get this cough checked out...excuse me..it must be the fumes from the bullshit that Sunray is spouting  |
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| 12:07am, 21st Mar 2005 |
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neo
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 827697
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someguy, im talking about the killers/rapists in india and anyone who supports the rapes/killings.
sunray, i dont mean every single india. im talking specifically of the violent racist nutters mentioned in the documentry.
see what happened there for what it is. dont defend or come up with excuses for what happened or lie to urselves. |
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| 12:10am, 21st Mar 2005 |
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sunray
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 827698
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The prog was very planned and executed to show Hindus as evil when they know that is not the view of the whole of Indians.
it seems you too have fallen hook line and sinker for this propoganda.
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| 12:11am, 21st Mar 2005 |
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some_guy
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 827699
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neo, listen to sunray. the media twist things like i was saying to u about sewa international (for which the UK charity commision cleared for any wrong doing).
theres ppl who want indians and mslims not to get along with each other. just like the stupid producder sharma.
anyways leave at 1.30pm 2moro. is jaggu coming. u got your fone back yet? |
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| 12:11am, 21st Mar 2005 |
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sunray
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 827700
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basic get some medicine its affecting yuor eyes as well
you did not read my post very well.
I already know he is a Hindu |
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| 12:12am, 21st Mar 2005 |
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some_guy
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 827701
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sunray, are r u indian/muslim or neither? |
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| 12:14am, 21st Mar 2005 |
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Basic
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 827702
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Sunray...welcome to looking at things from the Muslim perspective
I don't see how that puts all Hindus in a bad light?
I hate Hindu political extremists along with other political extremists...did that programme make me hate Hindus? No! It just increased my hate for political extremists..it just so happens some of them follow Hindu beliefs.
Stop trying to swipe shit under the carpet. |
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| 12:14am, 21st Mar 2005 |
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neo
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 827703
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no i havent cos i dont believe all hindus are evil. (ive already said above its not the majority). and i cant even see anywhere in the programme where it tried to say that. maybe ur paranoid?
i see this a lot from strongly religious ppl or supporters of this hindutva vision. anything that makes hindu's look bad, their almost programmed to see it as exageration/propaganda. almost in a paranoid way. |
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| 12:14am, 21st Mar 2005 |
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McSquared
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 827704
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I read the charity commision report and they never established where the funds went.
It wasn't a clearing. It showed a distinct lack of being able to obtain evidence.
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| 12:15am, 21st Mar 2005 |
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sunray
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 827705
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you still havent read my post at all.
go and read it again before making further comments. |
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| 12:15am, 21st Mar 2005 |
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Basic
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 827706
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that meant to say..wipe shit...i'm tired and I am going to sleep now!!!
YAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWN!  |
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| 12:15am, 21st Mar 2005 |
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some_guy
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 827707
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neo, dont wanna discus this further, but u are talking about raping/killing of muslims ppl WHICH IS WRONG OF COURSE. but no1 seems to know about the THOUSANDS who got rapped in bangladesh and killed for being hindus. either they converted to islam or they died. Y IS THERE NO DOCUMENTARIES ON THAT? i swear i told u about this init? |
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| 12:16am, 21st Mar 2005 |
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McSquared
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Msg no: 827708
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Fanatics just never see anything bad in their community.
It's like I'd probably never want to hear a bad word about my mother. It's not to say she's never done anything wrong...
It's the same kind of protectiveness and just hiding things you don't wanna know.
Let it go. Just because for once, the Hindu extremist side gets shown.
Muslims have had it a lot worse here and you guys all know it. |
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| 12:18am, 21st Mar 2005 |
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sunray
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Msg no: 827710
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yes goto bed
you see things clearly in the morning
goodnight |
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| 12:20am, 21st Mar 2005 |
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sunray
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Msg no: 827711
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If they wanted to show suffering may be they should go to Iraq and show all the blown up bodies by the Americans or may be go to Pakistan and show the bloody fighting going on there.
May be thye could show dead Christian bodies in Pakistan
Perhaps the violence in Afganistan!
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| 12:21am, 21st Mar 2005 |
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Basic
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Msg no: 827712
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"The prog was very planned and executed to show Hindus as evil when they know that is not the view of the whole of Indians.
it seems you too have fallen hook line and sinker for this propoganda." [sunray]
Explain to me how does it put Hindus in a bad light?
Any normal Hindu would refute any acts of violence on that scale.
It is definitely propoganda against political extremism and what is wrong with that?
But were did the programme show the Hindu faith under attack? I definitely saw the Muslim faith under attack! But from who? Hindus? Even though they may be born Hindus do you honestly think that was Hindu like behaviour?? Obciously not...we aint all blind sheep Sunray..it is easy to spot normal people and extremist nobs...so in conclusion, I fail to see were the Hindu faith is under attack.
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| 12:21am, 21st Mar 2005 |
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some_guy
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Msg no: 827713
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McSquared - they gave the info on where the funds went. i print out of where the donations went down to every paisa/penny was submitted to them. if sewa international couldnt give certain things to the commision then maybe it would still be under investigation bt its not. IT GOT CLEARED OF ANY WRONG DOING. that awaaz group was chattin shit.
NEO IM STILL WAITING TO KNOW IS JAG IS COMMING 2MORO. answer god dammit |
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| 12:23am, 21st Mar 2005 |
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neo
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Msg no: 827714
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again someguy, u keep looking to defend what happened/happens by pointing to other area's where hindu's are getting the same treatment.
stick to what this programme was specifically about. |
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| 12:24am, 21st Mar 2005 |
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sunray
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Msg no: 827715
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The term Hindus was referred to in the context of people not religion.
but you still fail to understand my post |
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| 12:24am, 21st Mar 2005 |
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neo
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Msg no: 827716
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(no, jag is working tmr) |
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| 12:26am, 21st Mar 2005 |
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some_guy
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Msg no: 827717
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tari ghan.
no1 can defend the deaths of muslims in gujarat. but y did they happen? like some1 said it happened AFTER the train incident. revenge shouldnt have been taked i know, but u making it out as if i support the revenge or killing of muslims. kute, gonna beat u 2moro. |
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| 12:26am, 21st Mar 2005 |
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Basic
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Msg no: 827718
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SUNRAY
Like I said before you are trying to sweep shit under the carpet. You cant see Hindus being terrorists can you? But its easy to see Muslims as terrorists isnt it. That is why we should only be looking at Iraq and Afghanistan because all terrorists have scary beards dont they!
Wake up Sunray...Those guys in that programme were terrorists as they invoked terror on people...propoganda or not..it happened! You cannot say it did not happen. You just aint comfortable with it because that minority of people adhere to the Hindu faith. But yes..we should all be looking at Iraq and Afghanistan because it is only Muslims who are terrorists innit Sunray
Right I am going to sleep now...you can continue to spout verbal diorreah
GANITE! |
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| 12:28am, 21st Mar 2005 |
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neo
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Msg no: 827720
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u know what id love to see. ppl like sunray and someguy come out and condemn what happened. forget the rest of the world and what else is happening to hindu's too. forget trying to look for excuses why it happened.
condemn what happened and say the ppl who were involved in those attacks were not true hindu's at all. but brainwashed political pawns. |
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| 12:30am, 21st Mar 2005 |
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sunray
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Msg no: 827721
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The point I was making
I see no purpose in showing the programme the way they did.
There were 101 ways of showing this programme but this guy purposely brainwashed us into hatred and negativity and perhaps even into inciting many into violence acts, if you cant see that then there is no point taking this any further.
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| 12:32am, 21st Mar 2005 |
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sunray
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Msg no: 827723
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Yes and I absolutely agree with you neo in condemning these evil bastards who call themselves Hindus (its only the 2nd time Ive sworn, sorry). |
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| 12:33am, 21st Mar 2005 |
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some_guy
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Msg no: 827724
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naresh, saachi vaat che.
badminton gonna be boring then. i told anand anyway on thursday about monday badminton. if he dont come then its me and u for 2 hours. gonna be boring for me. |
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| 12:33am, 21st Mar 2005 |
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neo
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Msg no: 827725
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someguy. by ur way of thinking, if a gang of hindu's did a train attack in pakistan, and a load of muslims tehre killed/raped hindus young and old, would u be sitting here saying...
"ah well. its expected. its cos of the train attack hindu's did".
and if a documentry was made about it telling of specific incidents, would u be saying:
"oh what propaganda! the reporter is obviously anti muslim! hes exagerating!"
ud switch to thinking the opposite way to favour hindu's.
do u still think ur way of thinking ok? do u think there is any bias? |
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| 12:35am, 21st Mar 2005 |
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sunray
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Msg no: 827726
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goodnight folks from me too |
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| 12:36am, 21st Mar 2005 |
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Basic
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Msg no: 827728
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SUNRAY
lol I am going to bed now..honest.
If you were to document that incident on film...how would you do it??
As there are 101 ways of showing the film...show me atleast 5 of those 101 ways...thanks and goodnight (fe real) |
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| 12:38am, 21st Mar 2005 |
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some_guy
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Msg no: 827730
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no bias whatsoever. i think u got memory probs again. REMEMBER i said
"no1 can defend the deaths of muslims in gujarat. but y did they happen? like some1 said it happened AFTER the train incident. revenge shouldnt have been taken i know, but u making it out as if i support the revenge or killing of muslims."
there is nothing wrong of my way of thinking. its your thinking of the the way you think i think.
THINK bwoy. heheehheeheh |
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| 12:52am, 21st Mar 2005 |
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sunny
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Msg no: 827741
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i didn't know revenge involved killing innocent people and raping innocent women and mutilating their bodies...
hmmm.... hindu philosphy has truly expanded hasn't it.
/sunny |
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| 01:03am, 21st Mar 2005 |
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some_guy
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Msg no: 827744
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either u understood me wrong or u twisting things.
if i made out to say what u said i did sunny then i didnt.
/some_guy :) |
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| 03:28pm, 21st Mar 2005 |
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risc
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Msg no: 827780
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@ some_guy 'it happened AFTER the train incident'
To me that like the politicians of BJP blured with RSS is justification for the killing, torture and raping of innocent people. Infact from what I remember it was suggested on bbc news website that the fire was started from inside the train. It was blatent politics of hate and fear. Hindus sees as being oppressed by Muslims as Hitler thought all evil and problem was down to Jews. |
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| 04:56pm, 21st Mar 2005 |
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Rubeia
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Msg no: 827789
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Hello all.
Watched it yesterday- just shows that brainwashing and extremism is not only an islamic phenomenon, but exists with hindus also ...wondered how come it was called INDIA; final solution; perhaps it should have been called Gujarat:final solution, because (not denying that racism elsewhere in India exists) the atrocities against muslims committed after Godhra thankfully never spread to other parts...as an indian (who is half muslim and half hindu- which is something that ppl in UK have a bigger prob with than in india for some reason!) i have been to most parts of india (but not gujarat) and find that (where i visited/lived)muslims,hindus. jains, sikhs,christians, bah'ais,buddhists etc get on quite well; the film-maker should have stressed how the preachy-nutcases and their equally dumass followers did not represent the whole of india...this is where i felt it was a little weak, but thats just my two cents dont cyber scalp me for that!
but that aside, thought it was gripping to watch, albeit that some allusion to 'other voices' (i.e. not just psycho militant members of 'hindutva' - ...dont they realise that they are like defying the very core of hindu philosophy?) would have been interesting as well.
Plus, sorry to reiterate but there are (like the guy said in the prog) BLATANT political motivations behind these extremists (these groups are funded by political parties like Shiv Sena etc) and hindus shouldnt get sucked into this quasi religious politics cos it will only cause destruction...but the country is overrun by inpenetrable political corruption..
and thats where the true problem is- religious/political propaganda fuels this disgusting hatred...It's in India's best interests to remain a secular country.
All human beings in India, every muslim, hindu, parsi only mean one thing to the politician; a vote and a ticket to the bank.
Think it would be interesting to also make a film about non-muslim minorities in Pakistan- (although i know there are two members on the Paki Cricket team who are christian and hindu!ok that was kinda irelevent)
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| 06:36pm, 21st Mar 2005 |
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junior_doc
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Msg no: 827791
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although there are only around 3% non muslims in pakistan - in karachi, the largest city - this number is over 10%.
And if you are trying to compare the treatment of Muslims or ANY ETNIC MINORITY in india to Pakistan - then dont make me laugh - because i have seen plenty of India too - for real and through fair media and NGO reports - and india is blatently violating human rights of so many groups that its a joke! |
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| 08:06pm, 21st Mar 2005 |
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nydesi
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Msg no: 827796
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Outta curiousity...to anyone who's been to an RSS event...what Hindu religious scriptures do they use to justify what they do?
Or is it more of a "we are under threat approach, so lets attack kinda"
"Hindus sees as being oppressed by Muslims as Hitler thought all evil and problem was down to Jews."
not quite the most apt analogy... |
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| 08:12pm, 21st Mar 2005 |
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nydesi
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Msg no: 827797
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as long as Hindus look at Muslim terrorism as the root problem, and Muslims only look at the effects of Hindu nationalists...then there really is no chance in hell of reducing militancy at all.
its just one group finger pointing at another.. |
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| 09:46pm, 21st Mar 2005 |
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gezzer
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Msg no: 827811
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I think the best thing that can come out of this is to make sure that such a brutal event never takes place again.
There should also be more initiatives to bring the two communities together. But first obstacles such as power hungry madman like Modi need to be taken out of the equation.
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| 02:03am, 22nd Mar 2005 |
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sunny
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Msg no: 827822
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junior doc, i wouldn't start comparing... we are talking here about hatred in general, and lets not recount the amount of people that have been killed by muslim terrorists. take out the blinkers please.
hi rubeia - agree completely. firstly yeah people in here have a more of a problem with inter-religion marriages because religion is their main identity, and therefore its become more politicised.
i think if they called it 'gujarat: final solution', then it wouldn't have had the impact. tv stations need to get people to watch programmes remember. i think its actually just called 'final solution'.
finally, yes its credit to the indian nation that the riots didn't spread to other parts of india.... considering there are over 130 million of them in the country.
/sunny |
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| 11:42am, 22nd Mar 2005 |
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gezzer
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Msg no: 827841
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finally, yes its credit to the indian nation that the riots didn't spread to other parts of india.... considering there are over 130 million of them in the country.[sunny]
That is a very important point that people fail to take into account. Some elements tried to spread the fighting into Bihar but were beaten back by other Hindus! Southern India is also a place where communal strife is hardly ever heard of and they to me seem to be some of the most devout Hindus I have ever met. |
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| 02:05pm, 22nd Mar 2005 |
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happy
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Msg no: 827858
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"Just as Muslims and the world need to know about Muslim terrorism in order to stop it and disown these people as true Muslims, so Hindus and the world need to know about shit like this - to stamp it out and reclaim the faith.
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Not that i care either way...... but hindus in india opressing the muslim minority is on a far smaller scale than that of muslim terror organisations... i mean whens the last time you saw an indian drive a tampo into the side of a skyscraper... i jest..
what im trying to say is that i think you may be a LITTLE out when you compare spreading the awareness of muslim worldwide terrorists to them fuct up racist indians..... that lest face it have trouble using windows XP....
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| 06:21pm, 22nd Mar 2005 |
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risc
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Msg no: 827913
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"hindus in india opressing the muslim minority is on a far smaller scale than that of muslim terror organisations" firstly Al-Qaida is not part of the Pakistani parlimant or Bin Laden chief Minister of Punjab. This is not a number game but anyway 'At least 1000 muslims where killed' http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/2578745.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1975481.stm
Unofficial figures say more than 2,000 people have died http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1977246.stm
2795 where murderd in the 911 horror. |
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| 06:22pm, 22nd Mar 2005 |
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risc
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Msg no: 827914
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oct 2003 (latest) 911 death toll is 2752 |
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| 06:46pm, 22nd Mar 2005 |
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50cent
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Msg no: 827915
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let's not get bogged down in rhetoric. You can equate them in the simple terms of being 'not good'.
^^happy i think you failed to read da following quote by bg... |
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| 09:35pm, 4th May 2008 |
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james_bund
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Msg no: 878221
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