| 11:10pm, 24th Mar 2008 |
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platinum786
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Msg no: 37275
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I noticed this article, currently we have a lot of hoo-haa over Tibet... well people should realise abuse in Kashmir still happens, Kashmir is still occupied and there are UN resolutioned passed on Kashmir telling both Pakistan and India to withdraw thier troops from the area and hold an election to give the Kashmiri people thier rights. |
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| 10:47am, 25th Mar 2008 |
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Candide
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Msg no: 37277
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^^^
HAHA@ hoo-haa over Tibet.
Isnt islam about defending the defenceless? Standing up against tyranny and human rights abuse where-ever it is found? Or does it only count with regard to fellow islamic people?
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| 11:12am, 25th Mar 2008 |
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Omz
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Msg no: 37278
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Human rights abuses are going on everywhere in the World, a lot of them we never hear about. |
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| 11:25am, 25th Mar 2008 |
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Candide
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Msg no: 37279
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Yes, but there are a heck of a lot abuse that people DO know about and do/say/post NOTHING about. Im sure you have heard about Tibet, Dafur, North Korea etc.
It seems that on here, if its somehow related to islam or islamic people and the abuse is done To THEM and NOT BY THEM, then threads and posts are made. Otherwise its silence. As seen by Reelist’s post on Tibet.
If you don’t know about human rights abuse around the world, then look it up rather than living in a bubble or playing the ignorance card. Google is not only your friend, its also an educator.
Heres a starter-
http://www.amnesty.org.uk/
Middle east - http://www.derechos.org/human-rights/mena/
SE Asia - http://www.derechos.org/saran/
NE Asia - http://www.derechos.org/human-rights/nasia/
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| 11:27am, 25th Mar 2008 |
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jake_the_muss
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Msg no: 37280
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Your right Omz, human right abuse is all over the world.
But its quite comical that Platinum 786 considers the abuse in Tibet as 'hoo-haa' |
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| 01:34pm, 25th Mar 2008 |
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platinum786
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Msg no: 37283
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1. I referred to it as a
"hoo-haa" as that is what it is. Once the Olympics are over Tibet will not be in the headlines. it's a human rights cause for "trendies", and people who want to stick it to China.
2. I am more concerned about Kashmir than the problems of anyone else as I am Kashmiri. It's only natural. Everyone is concerned about their own problems, Kashmir is my problem.
3. What I was inferring at was the hypocrisy of the western media who have no actual interest in Tibet or Kashmir or Sudan or anywhere else for that matter, but choose to highlight the "abuses" of Tibet as it suits their purposes of presenting China in a negative light.
4. Tibet has always been a part of China, Kashmir was forcibly signed over in 1947. Kashmir has UN resolutions demanding an election, Tibet has no such thing demanding it can break away, it always has been part of China. Take that into account and Tibetans wanting to break away become rebels, what do you think happens to rebels?
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| 02:35pm, 25th Mar 2008 |
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desiboy579
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Msg no: 37286
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"Kashmir was forcibly signed over in 1947."
I seem to understand that before 1947, the whole of the area that is now bangldesh, india, pakistan & sri lanka was india? So how can kashmir have been handed over? |
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| 02:42pm, 25th Mar 2008 |
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sufi
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Msg no: 37287
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Or does it only count with regard to fellow islamic people?....
what a prick obviously you will defend your own first so just cos china is abusing ppl in tibet we should forget kashmir and start condeming them ? ? ?
the post is about ppl being abused violated and all you can do is say why dont you condemn them nothing about how wrong inhuman and unjust it is
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| 02:46pm, 25th Mar 2008 |
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sufi
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Msg no: 37289
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It seems that on here, if its somehow related to islam or islamic people and the abuse is done To THEM then lots of ppl come on here pointing out x y and z including god forbid muslims are doing it too like that jusifies it.
if you cant discuss the issue why divert from it?
you dont feel guilty do you ?
or are you saying its ok to torture muslims cos somewhere else in the world they is probbably torturing someone too?
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| 02:53pm, 25th Mar 2008 |
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labh_janjua
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Msg no: 37290
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Everyone knows indian police are scum. This happened to a baptised sikh girl once after she was arrested, she was forced to drink urine. The police officier was called Gobind Ram, he said to her you've drunk the amrit of Guru Gobind Singh, now drink the amrit of gobind ram and made her drink his own urine.
Fact is as someone said human rights abuses happen all over the place, but some people cover it up more effectively. And then when people try to bring it to light, you get labelled as a terrorist.
Makes me happy to live in a country where at least there is some hope for justice and human rights. |
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| 03:32pm, 25th Mar 2008 |
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Candide
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Msg no: 37292
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“1. I referred to it as a
"hoo-haa" as that is what it is. Once the Olympics are over Tibet will not be in the headlines. it's a human rights cause for "trendies", and people who want to stick it to China.”
I’ve met a lot of keffiyeh-wearing middle and upper class british citizens in Gaza and the west bank who protest against the Israeli occupation, and who others also call “gap-year trendies”.
If the ‘hoo-haa’ of bombings, kidnappings, suicide bombing etc, in iraq or in isreal didn’t exist, then the plight of the Palestinians would not be in the headlines either.
“what a prick obviously you will defend your own first”
No, if you do indeed want to defend human rights then you defend everyone who is abused, not just the ones that are related to you (which are abused by countries/ppl not related to you) and consider other causes as a “hoo-haa”. The vast majority of people who marched against the war in iraq were not Iraqi or islamic. Amnesty (a british group) and the Red Cross do not just work in Christian countries.
“It seems that on here, if its somehow related to islam or islamic people and the abuse is done To THEM then lots of ppl come on here pointing out x y and z including god forbid muslims are doing it too like that jusifies it.”
Can you justify that accusation by listing some threads or posts?
“the post is about ppl being abused violated and all you can do is say why dont you condemn them nothing about how wrong inhuman and unjust it is”
I’m querying why is it that Plat only posts abuse and violations done on countries/people of his race and religion and not on others. And not when countries/people of his own religion who abuse others of his religion/race. The disparity reeks of hypocrisy.
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| 04:08pm, 25th Mar 2008 |
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platinum786
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Msg no: 37293
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It's not hypocrisy it's concern for my own kind first, rather than others.
On the flip side you only protested against threads created against the Indian abuses in Kashmir, what is that all about? |
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| 06:25pm, 25th Mar 2008 |
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StrangelyPsychedelic
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Msg no: 37294
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I seem to understand that before 1947, the whole of the area that is now bangldesh, india, pakistan & sri lanka was india?
Nope - Sri Lanka was Ceylon and an independent territory prior to colonilisation.
It's not hypocrisy it's concern for my own kind first, rather than others.
Which gives you no right to refer to other causes as 'hoo haa' and complain that people arn't listening to you. |
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| 06:26pm, 25th Mar 2008 |
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StrangelyPsychedelic
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Msg no: 37295
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prior to colonilisation.
colonialisation |
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| 06:31pm, 25th Mar 2008 |
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StrangelyPsychedelic
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Msg no: 37296
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^fux0r colonialization even. |
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| 06:41pm, 25th Mar 2008 |
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bobby_digital
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Msg no: 37297
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While this discussion about Kashmir could go on forever simply because the issue was not resolved in 1947, is unresolved today and it will remain unresolved in the foreseeable future.
but you would notice one thing from the views of many hindu indians
They actually actually believe that hindus have a god-given right to rule over the entire sub-continent. Because the issue of Kashmir was not resolved in 1947, the hindu indians today would claim kashmir as their territory even though it has a muslim majority.
Keep in mind if the partition of 1947 had not happened. The hindus would also want to rule over the muslim majority areas of punjab, sindh and NWFP against the will of the local population. Ofcourse the muslims with their larger numbers would not have tolerated this oppression and it would have led to a brutal civil war.
In many ways, for the minorties the hindu-dominated government of india is worse than the British raj of the past. infact, i mince no words in saying that given an option, i would rather choose to live in a sub-continent under British Raj instead of living in a hindu-dominated country |
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| 06:47pm, 25th Mar 2008 |
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desiboy579
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Msg no: 37298
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SP... Yes, indeed. Sorry, my mistake. |
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| 08:05pm, 25th Mar 2008 |
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Candide
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Msg no: 37299
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“On the flip side you only protested against threads created against the Indian abuses in Kashmir, what is that all about?”
Really? I have no reason to defend India, Indians or hindus. I posted for two reasons – the “hoo-haa” remark which I found idiotic. Imagine someone posted that about the Palestinians or Kashmiris. Wouldn’t you find that idiotic and insulting? I would.
The second reason is that, as mentioned above, you seem to only post about the atrocities committed on people of your own race/religion when it is done by countries/religions not related to you. Every day there are horrific atrocities committed by moslems on other moslems in Iraq. You don’t mention it. If the Americans or Israelis did something, then you post about it. Islamic countries around the world have committed atrocities on their own (islamic) people. There are a lot of human rights violations occurring every day throughout the Middle East and North Africa – from Morocco to Iran. These countries and their leaders (fellow moslems) should know better. People are killed, tortured, imprisoned, disappear etc. But for some reason you don’t say anything and instead expect the jews in Isreal and the hindus in India to be better than your fellow moslems, and not commit violations on people (in your own words) - not related to them. That’s the hypocrisy. What is that all about?
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| 09:13pm, 25th Mar 2008 |
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reelist
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Msg no: 37301
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i can't believe i've missed out on all this fun and games.
by the by, tibet wasn't always part of china.
oh, and platinum, you seem to care so much about your "own people", so why the thread on the little sikh boy? thinly veiled indeed. so much hatred in you, young padawan. |
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| 09:31pm, 25th Mar 2008 |
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Shitface_McCunty
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Msg no: 37302
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"I seem to understand that before 1947, the whole of the area that is now bangldesh, india, pakistan & sri lanka was india? So how can kashmir have been handed over?"
You seem to only understand the bits you'd like to understand.
Try understanding this bit :
It (Kashmir) only became part of India a hundred years before that when the British finaly defeated the sikhs at the second attempt vis a vis the second Anglo-Sikh War. Prior to that, the British, who ruled India.....had no say or authority in the independant Sikh Kingdom which included Kashmir.
Both Punjab and Kashmir, despite being part of the Persian sphere of influence for centuries had become part of India be default. But the peoples, culture and minds of these areas were never Indian and will never be Indian.
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| 11:26pm, 25th Mar 2008 |
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StrangelyPsychedelic
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Msg no: 37304
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Every day there are horrific atrocities committed by moslems on other moslems in Iraq. You don’t mention it. If the Americans or Israelis did something, then you post about it.
Muslims killing their fellow Muslims?? Good Lord no! Come off it Candide - such things don't happen - or well, theres more to it than meets the eye.
See Zionist agents have infiltrated many of the militia groups operating in Iraq and Afghanistan and are effectively running them to make the americans think that Iran, Syria etc are behind the attacks and that Iraq/A-Stan are truly unstable places that require a continued coalition presence (with a possible action against Iran).
Now if you don't believe this is happening then you truly are a sheep and a victim of biased, blinkered Western media outlets.
(hopefully you've sensed I'm taking-zi-piss, sadly I'm not making this up - its pretty much what a Palestinian I had a lot of respect for told me in response to the very same question you posed. He just called me a sheep straight off though - even refusing to stick it to me like a proper Welshman). |
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| 09:07am, 26th Mar 2008 |
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Candide
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Msg no: 37307
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HAHA Strangely, sadly I have heard that blinkered view as well.
“In many ways, for the minorties the hindu-dominated government of india is worse than the British raj of the past. infact, i mince no words in saying that given an option, i would rather choose to live in a sub-continent under British Raj instead of living in a hindu-dominated country” - Bobby_Digital
^^ This has got to be the second most retarded post on this thread. Seriously, Bobby_Digital, I think the only mincing you should do, is walking.
“Tibet has always been a part of China” – Plat786
^^ This has got to be the third most retarded post.
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| 01:56pm, 26th Mar 2008 |
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Kaalia_81
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Msg no: 37309
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shitface - "Both Punjab and Kashmir, despite being part of the Persian sphere of influence for centuries had become part of India be default. But the peoples, culture and minds of these areas were never Indian and will never be Indian. "
what is indian to you? what is different about Punjab to a Rajasthan or a Gujarat?
Did you know there are peoples in Gujajarat who are from the same central asian tribes as present day Punjabis? My own community trace their roots to Punjab and most probably Scythian before that.
Its all rather mixed and sweeping generalisations can sometimes very much misconstrue whats actually what.
And the Sikh kingdoms you talk about, what about the period before that? before Sikhism. Variety of Hindu warrior clans and dynasties have ruled upto at least present day Afghan land in 'recorded history' and also width and breadth of the asian subcontinent interspersed with areas under Mughal/Turkic/Afghan/Sultan Slave dynasties right thru since 9th or 10th centuries. |
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| 04:43pm, 26th Mar 2008 |
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inders
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Msg no: 37311
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Hey platinum786 when you said 'It's not hypocrisy it's concern for my own kind first, rather than others.'
Don't you think its ironic that those abuses (which are real don't let anyone believe different) are being carried out by who think exactly like you ? In their minds they're doing what they're doing out of concern for their kind rather then others. |
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| 04:58pm, 26th Mar 2008 |
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inders
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Msg no: 37312
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And I agree with Kaalia_81 to an extent. If you look at the cultural customs of Afghanistan, Punjab and South India there are only superficial differences. Especially regarding things like weddings. |
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| 07:04pm, 26th Mar 2008 |
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sufi
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Msg no: 37313
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No, if you do indeed want to defend human rights then you defend everyone who is abused, ?
????
what planet are you on
give me one example where a country or people have gone out and fought for someone else they always fight for thier own
it is human nature to defend your own first isnt that exactly what your trying to do by diverting attention to other injustices
if an asian guy gets attacked in my street and i talk about it you can not accuse me of hypocrisy cos lots of asian guys attack white kids and im not talking about them
if you think like that then you show acceptance and complicity in the crime...
any muslims in future if you claim or highlight any injustice against muslims please put a disclaimer at the start to say you know there some bad ppl out ther including muslims who are doing bad things to other muslims non muslims and you in no way agree encourage or condone them  |
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| 08:43pm, 26th Mar 2008 |
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inders
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Msg no: 37314
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give me one example where a country or people have gone out and fought for someone else they always fight for thier own
Any UN peacekeepers in the house ? |
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| 10:31pm, 26th Mar 2008 |
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reelist
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Msg no: 37316
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"give me one example where a country or people have gone out and fought for someone else they always fight for thier own"
so if everyone else does it, so can you? as a human above all things you should aspire to help the needy, regardless of creed, colour or faith. set the standard, others may not follow but at least you can rest safe in the knowledge that you helped a HUMAN. not a muslim, or whatever you are, but a person.
"it is human nature to defend your own first isnt that exactly what your trying to do by diverting attention to other injustices "
again, its human nature (i really hope) to help those who are persecuted. its not human to say "i'm helping you, but not you". |
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| 11:56pm, 26th Mar 2008 |
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jake_the_muss
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Msg no: 37317
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I've read some of the most funniest comments made on this thread its unreal.
'Look after your own'.....'Dont care about human rights abuse around the world, just worried about my family or another country who believes in my faith.
So let me get this right......From what is written...Muslims dont give a rat ass about abuse around the world as long as its not to do with them? |
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| 02:02am, 27th Mar 2008 |
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nubbin
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Msg no: 37318
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it is human nature to defend your own first isnt that exactly what your trying to do by diverting attention to other injustices
Oh please, if that were the case, nobody would ever love an adopted child. Those parents are effectively protecting someone who bears no blood relation to them. What about people who've risked their lives to help a stranger in trouble? How do you explain that, Einstein?
Don't try and push your own narrow minded beliefs as being "human nature", when you evidently have little appreciation of its depths and beauty.
give me one example where a country or people have gone out and fought for someone else they always fight for thier own
On the one hand you're going on and on and on about how Britain is America's bitch by fighting for them in Iraq, and on the other hand no country ever fights a cause that isn't their own?
Make up your friggin' mind. |
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| 09:38am, 27th Mar 2008 |
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Candide
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Msg no: 37321
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HAHA@ “Any UN peacekeepers in the house ?”
Classic.
“give me one example where a country or people have gone out and fought for someone else they always fight for thier own” - sufi
Tell that to the Albanians and the people of Kosovo who consider Bush and Blair as heroes. When something awful happens in some far off country, not related to Britain, be it natural eg earthquakes, famine, tsunami etc, or man made, eg war, why do the British people give money? Shouldn’t they just look after “their own”, since there is enough problems here?. Sport Relief just happened a couple of weeks ago, in one night they raised around £20 million. A lot of the money is going to Africa. Explain that.
“it is human nature to defend your own first isnt that exactly what your trying to do by diverting attention to other injustices” - sufi
I mentioned three countries where abuse is taking place – Tibet, Darfur, and North Korea. I have no relationship with any of these countries, be it spiritually, religiously, culturally, or ethnically. Please explain how by mentioning these places I am defending “my own”.
“if an asian guy gets attacked in my street and i talk about it you can not accuse me of hypocrisy” - sufi
I would if you ONLY talk/protest/show your disgust about it when Asian guys get attacked and not say a word when Asian guys attack others. There lies the hypocrisy. Seriously, do I really need to keep on spelling it out for you? Remove the blinkers and see the contradiction.
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| 07:03pm, 27th Mar 2008 |
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Ms_XtReMe
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Msg no: 37325
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Are we willy-waving again?
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| 01:41pm, 28th Mar 2008 |
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StrangelyPsychedelic
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Msg no: 37331
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In response to the thread:
Simple fact is sh1t happens.
(Your words Platinum...) |
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| 02:21pm, 28th Mar 2008 |
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Candide
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Msg no: 37332
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“Are we willy-waving again?”
Yes, that’s exactly what it is.
Plat786 is boasting that his people suffer the most and everyone else pales in comparison (hoo-haa).
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| 09:31pm, 28th Mar 2008 |
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Ms_XtReMe
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Msg no: 37335
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Of course.
Weighing out the severity of one type of torture (suffering) to another is damn disturbing. Even for Platinum.
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| 01:01am, 30th Mar 2008 |
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sufi
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Msg no: 37338
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I mentioned three countries where abuse is taking place –
well done what do you want a medal ?
the point is you mention them only to divert attention from the abuse being discussed
raising money giving a couple of quid to sport aid famine aid or what ever is not defending them people........ doh
it is human nature to defend your own first that dose not mean you wont defend others but your own will always have priority
its a simple point maybe a bit too simple for some..
your pathetic examples dont, can not and will not alter that fact
i gave 2 quid to sport aid im defending the world here
absoloute class...... |
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| 02:07am, 30th Mar 2008 |
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nubbin
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Msg no: 37340
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it is human nature to defend your own first that dose not mean you wont defend others but your own will always have priority
Yea... Conveniently ignore my examples... : )
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=man+saves+stranger%27s+life&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
Over 2 million hits on google for "man saves stranger's life".
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| 11:20am, 30th Mar 2008 |
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Candide
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Msg no: 37342
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Sufi, now read s-l-o-w-l-y
“well done what do you want a medal ?”
You accused me of diverting the topic in order to defend my “own”. –
“it is human nature to defend your own first isnt that exactly what your trying to do by diverting attention to other injustices”
I don’t want a medal, just proof for the accusation that by naming three countries, and pointing out I have not connection with any of them, how I am, (in your words) “defending my own”.
Whilst your at it, would you also answer the question I asked previously –
“It seems that on here, if its somehow related to islam or islamic people and the abuse is done To THEM then lots of ppl come on here pointing out x y and z including god forbid muslims are doing it too like that jusifies it.” - sufi
Can you justify that accusation by listing some threads or posts?
^ I bet you ignore the above.
“it is human nature to defend your own first that dose not mean you wont defend others but your own will always have priority”
I take it you ignoring Inders’ and Nubbin’s posts. Well done, keep the blinkers on.
“your pathetic examples dont, can not and will not alter that fact”
The examples have consistently proved you wrong. As has Inders and Nubbin's examples. You ignoring them shows that.
“i gave 2 quid to sport aid im defending the world here”
Defending causes and people can be done in many ways, not just through violence and war (is that your mindset?). The point about people giving to charity was to show that unlike Plat’s views about people “not giving a shit” etc, people DO give a shit and gave money to causes and organisations that benefit people in other parts of the world, which have no connection with the donator. You gave two quid, obviously from your post, the value doesn’t mean anything to you. But add that to what everyone else has given and it comes to a sizeable amount.
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| 08:01pm, 1st Apr 2008 |
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nwa
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Msg no: 37364
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Inders:And I agree with Kaalia_81 to an extent. If you look at the cultural customs of Afghanistan, Punjab and South India there are only superficial differences. Especially regarding things like weddings
How the hell is Afghan and south Indian wedding traditions the same?? When did dravidians traditions became same as afghan traditions.
And Kalia yes you have schytian connection maybe in gujrat but 73% jatts/jats in the indian sub continent are from Punjab. Jatts are one of the different tribes who entered India, middeleast etc in ancient times. Yes gujjars and rajputs are to schythians but they are different tribes and came to India in different times. Like gujjars are nomads and jatts were warriors |
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| 08:44pm, 1st Apr 2008 |
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kaalia_81
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Msg no: 37365
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of those jats from punjab (where they first entered into the subcontinent) some of these lot moved further in, passing thru and settling in present day rajasthan, gujarat and madhya pradesh. central guj patidars (patels, desais, amins etc) ancestry is jatt punjabi from when these people moved out of the punjab areas pre sikhism times.
so what i am saying is that there is more history and transmigrational factors to be taken into account when some people get blow up about punjabi and punjabi that, persian connections etc etc. |
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| 08:47pm, 1st Apr 2008 |
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kaalia_81
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Msg no: 37366
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^obviously these jats are not refered to 'jats' now. but the one common thing to remain and which lasted upto present day caste connotations was 'tillers of the land' farming and land rearing was one thing to remain a jatt tradition in their new lands and identities after evolving with new lands, areas and customs, language.. |
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| 11:30pm, 1st Apr 2008 |
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inders
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Msg no: 37367
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nwa - one similarity - mehndi.
Do you really want me to study up on both wedding customs to point out all the similarities ?
Why don't you point out the major differences, ones that can't be directly assigned to religion? |
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| 11:45pm, 3rd Apr 2008 |
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[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 37371
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Inders : You got mehndi in Africa to does that mean we are related to them to.
Kaalia:the people you mention are gujjars another tribe. The jatts/jats mostly live in Punjab (73%) and small other minorities called jats in other various North Indian states. Like K.P Singh one of India"s richest guy is U.P Jat.
Jat Population 1988 Approx
Percentage (India/Pakistan)
Punjab region 22,709,755 73 %
Rajasthan 3,651,036 12 %
Uttar Pradesh 2,845,244 9.2 %
Jammu & Kashmir 581,477 2 %
Balochistan 369,365 1.2 %
NWFP 302,700 1 %
Bombay Presidency 216,139 0.7 %
Delhi 187,072 0.6 %
CP & Brar 28,135 98,473 0.3 %
Ajmer-Marwar 104,972 0.3 %
Total 100%
As you can see it cant be many jatts in gujrat then. The distinct Jat culture in North India is nothing like gujrati culture.
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| 08:15am, 4th Apr 2008 |
I was forced to drink my own urine |
kaalia_81
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clearly not seeing what i am saying, those particular communities i am refering to were descended from jatt migrants who migrated more inland many many centuries ago and lost that caste name and became a new grouping whilst adapting to new land, customs and language and overall identity. |
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| 10:07am, 4th Apr 2008 |
I was forced to drink my own urine |
sufi
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god
i dont like saying it but
i should know better then to argue with an idiot all you do is bring me down to your level and then beat me with your superior experience.....
a stranger saves someone on the subway .... great example its a big news story proves my point exactly it is unusual for a person to risk thier own life for a stranger but the average father mother wouldnt think twice about risking thier life to save a child .
people will always protect thier own first
if you can not grasp understand that simple fact then its pointless arguing with you
i concede to your superiority
no offence
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