| 11:40pm, 4th Feb 2008 |
Muslim MP spied on by Police |
platinum786
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Msg no: 36927
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I don't know whether you guys have been following this story or not, but a muslim MP Sheraz Khan visited a constituent in prison who was being held for terror offences. The police bugged his conversations with that individual.
This is not the first time it has happened to him. On Newsnight they reported that he was monitered by intelligence agencies before he became and MP as he was a civil rights lawyer and a member of the Liberty Party.
He is also not the only muslim in government to have been bugged. Lord Nazir Ahmed who recently went on a mission to save the teddy bear lady in Sudan had his phones tapped in 1999 and again post 911. In once incident the foreign office actaully called him in and presented him with a transcript.
In both occurances the government has denied all knowledge, despite it being illegal to bug a member of government with ministerial permission.
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| 11:43pm, 4th Feb 2008 |
Muslim MP spied on by Police |
platinum786
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Msg no: 36928
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I want to go on and say, that if these people, who are members of parliments and Lord of Britian, are spied on because they are muslim, what hope do you and me have that the government trusts or respects us?
How can anyone claim that muslims are not persecuted in Britian and not looked down on with this blatent evidence at hand. The only other person to be treated as such in living memory was Gerry Adams, a reformed terrorist and leader of the IRA.
Perhaps we should set Britian it's own Tebbit test, call it the Tariq test. We'll truly be accepted in British society when we are seen as british by british people, when we are not stereotyped, not marginalised, not spied on and not victimised because of our faith.
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| 08:19am, 5th Feb 2008 |
Muslim MP spied on by Police |
militant_atheist
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Msg no: 36931
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"I want to go on and say, that if these people, who are members of parliments and Lord of Britian, are spied on because they are muslim, what hope do you and me have that the government trusts or respects us?"
stop alienating yourself further, most of the terrorists in this country are muslim too, so who should we aim to spy on? the hindus?! and it is not direct hatred for muslims, just national security. |
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| 09:17am, 5th Feb 2008 |
Muslim MP spied on by Police |
Basic
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Msg no: 36934
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'stop alienating yourself further, most of the terrorists in this country are muslim too,'
and how did you come to that conclusion? So you've done a head count on all the terrorist outfits in the UK and created a tally chart and by that you have concluded they are all Muslim? So you've counted the number of ETA members that may be operational in the UK, along with Tamil tigers, along with some members of the Loyalist Paramilitaries and the IRA members.
You have been working hard. |
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| 10:33am, 5th Feb 2008 |
Muslim MP spied on by Police |
Candide
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Msg no: 36937
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Was it the “Moslem” MP OR Babar Ahmad that was bugged??
Did the bugging happen because the MP was a moslem? Or has every visitor that Babar Ahmad had, been bugged?
I bet you it’s the latter.
“The only other person to be treated as such in living memory was Gerry Adams, a reformed terrorist and leader of the IRA.”
Gerry Adams was NEVER the leader of the IRA. He was not the only other person in Northern Ireland that was bugged. Everyone from the various political and terrorists groups were bugged, eg, Paisley and the DUP, Martin McGuinness and Sinn Fein, David Trimble and the UUP, John Hume and the SDLP, and the rest. Even british politicans who were having secret meetings with the aforementioned individuals/groups in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, were bugged. It still happens today (sinn fein found bugging equipment in their Stormount offices last year).
Personally I don’t have a problem with politicians being bugged. Politics is one of the most corrupt, two-faced, back-stabbing occupations on the planet.
“We'll truly be accepted in British society when we are seen as british by british people, when we are not stereotyped, not marginalised, not spied on and not victimised because of our faith.”
Take the blinkers off. For the past 6 years the terrorists attacks, successful and unsuccessful have occurred from people of your faith (just yesterday a group was found guilty, last week - another group wanting to behead and soldier), so whose fault is it that people not belonging to your faith may want to “stereotype, marginalize, spy and victimize” people of your faith. During the 70’s and 80’s when irish terrorists were bombing the uk and n.ireland, the irish were stereotyped, marginalized …etc”. it was the fault of people from their race that resulted in people attitudes. Not others.
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| 11:12am, 5th Feb 2008 |
Muslim MP spied on by Police |
Basic
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Msg no: 36938
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bollocks to it not being the fault of the people who are scapegoating.
I haven't got tremendous life experience but I do remember the times when the Irish were marginalised and IRA jokes were rife in school, it didn't mean that I was apprehensive towards the irish.
I also lived in a time were mugging became synonymouse to Black crime, but because of that I wasn't wary of all black people or justified racism towards them.
Yes it is the fault of the minority who do these actions, but it's also the fault of the scapegoaters who are quite willing to spread bigotry, you can't play the ignorance card anymore. Society is a lot more intracate than it being blacks and whites, Muslims and non Muslims. But in the midst of it all, who gets targetted, most often than not the ones that are innocently going on about their business, and you think it's justified because it's a cyclicle process? |
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| 12:08pm, 5th Feb 2008 |
Muslim MP spied on by Police |
Candide
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Msg no: 36942
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“but I do remember the times when the Irish were marginalised and IRA jokes were rife in school, it didn't mean that I was apprehensive towards the irish.”
Erm, I wasn’t talking about you as a kid would be apprehensive towards irish people. For one thing, the IRA, INLA etc didn’t do “spectator” bombing with the aim to kill as many lives as possible. Their aim was to disrupt, hence placing bombs in commercial/business areas and ringing the policing and telling them to evacuate. Obviously there were times when innocent people got killed. But in general, that wasn’t the IRA’s aim. They wanted to disrupt the bitish way of life, and kill politicans/soldiers. So you in the 70’s, 80’s, getting on a bus, or a train didn’t have to fear as you do now. Jokes aside, there was real discrimination against the irish eg, hotels/b&b’s having “no irish/no blacks” notices and in the job market.
“I also lived in a time were mugging became synonymouse to Black crime, but because of that I wasn't wary of all black people or justified racism towards them.”
Again, your taking it from your own personal experience. In general as you yourself pointed out, mugging was/is synonymous with black crime, and people were/are wary of blacks.
“Yes it is the fault of the minority who do these actions, but it's also the fault of the scapegoaters who are quite willing to spread bigotry”
Why give the scapegoaters a chance? We all know the BNP are a bunch of racists fuckwits. Why have they homed in Moslems and islam? Because what is happening in this country by Moslem terrorists. Why aren’t they saying anything about Hindus or Sikhs. Bloody hell, they even recruited a fuckwit sikh to peddle their propaganda. It is the fault of a minority of Moslems which have given islam a bad name. Look what happened the other day in Iraq – 2 mentally disabled women were sent into a market with suicide belts, and remotely blown up. That is a “jihad” operation?? You will always get people coming out of the woodwork to attack you. Its your own fault if you give them the ammo.
“But in the midst of it all, who gets targetted, most often than not the ones that are innocently going on about their business, and you think it's justified because it's a cyclicle process?”
The sad fact is that everyone who fits a certain profile gets targeted, including innocents. I get stopped at airports all the time. I get so many questions as to why my passports have isreali/jordian stamps on them. It’s a headfuck, getting questioned over and over again. Italians friends of mine also get stopped, because they have a “dark complexion”. People get fucked off with this (including hindu organisations who don’t what to be called “Asians” anymore). Because of the fault of a minority we all get targeted. And we should blame the police/authorities? Right…….
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| 12:46pm, 5th Feb 2008 |
Muslim MP spied on by Police |
reelist
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Msg no: 36943
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"We'll truly be accepted in British society when we are seen as british by british people"
what twaddle. you by your own admission don't consider yourself british. when you call england "them" and pakistan "us", what do you expect?
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| 01:41pm, 5th Feb 2008 |
Muslim MP spied on by Police |
platinum786
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Msg no: 36944
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Reelist, You don't have a leg to stand on. What you find so incredibly difficult to grab is the concept of duel citizenship, I consider myself an equal Citizen of Pakistan and Britain. The only difference is that I face discrimination in Britain more than I do in Pakistan. It's like having two parents (I'm assuming you grew up with both), you love them equally.
I've used us and them interchangeably between both the nations many times depending on the scenario.
It's so simple, even you know it, but you choose to ignore it, or pretend it is not possible. Maybe that's because of some guilt that your parents have given up their Indian nationality to become British, perhaps you consider that a betrayal?
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| 02:38pm, 5th Feb 2008 |
Muslim MP spied on by Police |
reelist
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Msg no: 36945
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it is simple. but a them and us mentality clearly doesn't demonstrate that. |
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| 05:18pm, 5th Feb 2008 |
Muslim MP spied on by Police |
mamatedave
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Msg no: 36948
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Today Britain faces countless threats from Islamist groups whose only aim is to kill and butcher as many people as they can so they can 'get back' at Britain and obtain their place in 'jannat' - if the police and intelligence agencies therefore break a few guidelines in their attempts to keep us all safe then I don't really care.
I've been stopped and searched countless times at tube stations and airports and sure its inconvenient but its not as if the police are doing it to get a kick or something. If the 'brothers' from Leeds hadn't gone in search of their 72 virgins then maybe we wouldn't be in this situation.
If you've nothing to hide then you should fear 'being bugged'
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| 06:23pm, 5th Feb 2008 |
Muslim MP spied on by Police |
Basic
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Msg no: 36949
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Same has happened to me at airports aswell. Sure that's a national security issue and I can understand that, but why the heck would you bug a fellow member of the british political system, irrespective of him being bent or not?
On one hand people are asking Muslims to integrate and what better way than being part of the political system, and at the end of it all being mistrusted. I can understand if the MP was Omar Bakri-esque then fair enough, but I fail to see how he could be deemed a threat. He wasn't exactly an Asian Nick Griffin was he? |
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| 06:54pm, 5th Feb 2008 |
Muslim MP spied on by Police |
capsette
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Msg no: 36950
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but why the heck would you bug a fellow member of the british political system, irrespective of him being bent or not?
Yeah we should just ignore the bent politicians.
That aside, p786, make a coherent argument. I know its hard. Try darling. Britain isn't out to get you. There is no conspiracy. |
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| 07:02pm, 5th Feb 2008 |
Muslim MP spied on by Police |
Candide
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Msg no: 36951
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“but why the heck would you bug a fellow member of the british political system, irrespective of him being bent or not?”
As I said, - Personally I don’t have a problem with politicians being bugged. Politics is one of the most corrupt, two-faced, back-stabbing occupations on the planet. Look at the past week with stories about Conway and his sons. British political history is full of corrupt MPs. No one trusts politicians, so why all of a sudden are you defending them?
I would presume that the bugging occurred because of Babar Ahmad. I would also presume that not only was Sadiq Khan bugged, but every visitor Ahmad had. No matter what religion or race they belong to. To think that he was bugged because of his religion is just an excuse to play the victim card.
Btw, Sadiq Khan is a childhood friend of Ahmad. He was apparently bugged every time he went to visit Ahmad, including prior to 2005, when he wasn’t an MP.
Basic, have you watched the lost “missing pieces” episodes?
http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/missingpieces/index?pn=index?homepage=true
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| 07:07pm, 5th Feb 2008 |
Muslim MP spied on by Police |
capsette
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Msg no: 36952
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So you've done a head count on all the terrorist outfits in the UK and created a tally chart and by that you have concluded they are all Muslim? So you've counted the number of ETA members that may be operational in the UK, along with Tamil tigers, along with some members of the Loyalist Paramilitaries and the IRA members.
You have been working hard.
It takes a couple of minutes.
By definition the number of terrorist organisations in the UK are those that are proscribed as terrorist organisations. A quick head count gives around 33 as being based around islamic terrorism. There were only 14 organisations based on Irish terrorism but its worth remembering the peace process has essentially ended their activity.
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| 10:46pm, 5th Feb 2008 |
Muslim MP spied on by Police |
Candide
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Msg no: 36953
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^^^
HAHA @ list of the various terrorist organisations' names.
I was half expecting to see the "Judean People's Front - Crack Suicide Squad" on there.
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| 04:49pm, 1st Mar 2008 |
Muslim MP spied on by Police |
balance_singh
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Msg no: 37189
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babar ahmed ran a website recruiting terrorists to fight in Chechnya and afhghanistan - its good to therefore see the security forces do their job and keep an eye on this nefarious individual. |
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| 10:35pm, 1st Mar 2008 |
Muslim MP spied on by Police |
Basic
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Msg no: 37191
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The whole Babar Ahmad thing stinks of dodgyness. |
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| 06:36pm, 2nd Mar 2008 |
Muslim MP spied on by Police |
Shitface_McCunty
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Msg no: 37194
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Wooooah!...Hold on here people. Lets put things into perspective here. Lets remember a little about how badly our givernment and system is treating Babar Ahmed.
If memory serves me well....the poor fella was incarcerated, without trial, on the behest of the Americans, who had arrested 2 people in America on 'supposed' terrorist charges, and those 2 had alleged 'links' with this fella in Britain, Babar Ahmed.
Since then however, the trial of those two in America has long been thrown out by a judge there as flimsy beyond belief and those two were ordered to be released as innocent men.
They are now, and have been for a long time, free men.
Our stupid, pathetic government however, continue to lock up this poor man, without trial and without a reason and deny him all recourse to justice.
This is an absolute disgrace. I'm not a muslim, but I'm glad this mulsim mp is doing the right thng and trying to help this man. Its something we should all be doing. |
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| 08:45pm, 2nd Mar 2008 |
Muslim MP spied on by Police |
think_tank
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Msg no: 37195
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This is the irony; how does a state balance justice, fear and over empowerment? amid anarchy.
The probability of MISCARRIAGE OF JUSTICE is increased.
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