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05:52pm, 7th Jan 2008   The Truth about Narendra Modi

bobby_digital

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http://www.bostonreview.net/BR29.3/nussbaum.html


Body of the Nation

Why women were mutilated in Gujarat

Martha C. Nussbaum

I. What Happened

8 On February 27, 2002, the Sabarmati express train arrived in the station of Godhra, in the western Indian state of Gujarat, packed with Hindu pilgrims who were returning from Ayodhya. Ayodhya, as the alleged birthplace of the god Rama, has been a focal point of Hindu anti-Muslim feeling for several decades. In 1992, Hindu zealots destroyed the 16th-century Babri mosque there, claiming that it covered the remains of a Hindu temple. The pilgrimage, like many others in recent times, aimed at forcibly constructing a temple over the disputed site, and the mood of the returning passengers, stymied by the government and the courts, was angry. When the train stopped at the station, passengers got into arguments with Muslim vendors and passengers. At least one Muslim vendor was beaten up when he refused to say “Jai Sri Ram” (“Hail Ram”), and a young Muslim girl narrowly escaped forcible abduction. As the train left the station, stones were thrown at it, apparently by Muslims.

Fifteen minutes later, one car of the train erupted in flames. Fifty-eight men, women, and children died in the fire. Most of the dead were Hindus. Attempts to determine what really happened by reconstructing the event have shown only that a large amount of a flammable substance must have been thrown from inside the train. Because the area adjacent to the tracks was an area of Muslim dwellings, and because a Muslim mob had gathered in the vicinity to protest the incident on the train platform, blame was immediately put on Muslims. (Later, a number of public figures argued that the blaze was set by Hindu nationalists attempting to provoke a rampage.)

In the days that followed, wave upon wave of violence swept through the state. The attackers were Hindus, many of them highly politicized, shouting Hindu-right slogans, such as “Hail Ram” (a religious invocation wrenched from its original devotional and peaceful meaning) and “Hail Hanuman” (a monkey god traditionally celebrated for loyalty, but portrayed by the Hindu right as highly aggressive), along with “Kill!,” “Destroy!,” “Slaughter!” There is copious evidence that the violence was planned before the precipitating event. The victims were almost all Muslims, with an occasional Christian or Parsi thrown in. There was no connection between the identity of the victims and the identity of alleged perpetrators: attacks took place, for the most part, far from the original site. In fact, many families of the original dead implored the mobs to stop. Nonetheless, more than 2,000 Muslims were killed in a few days, many by being burned alive in or near their homes. No one was spared: young children were burned along with their families.

Particularly striking were the mass rapes and mutilations of women. The typical tactic was first to rape or gang-rape the woman, then to torture her, and then to set her on fire and kill her. Although the fact that most of the dead were incinerated makes a precise sex count of the bodies impossible, one mass grave that was discovered contained more than half female bodies. Many victims of rape and torture are also among the survivors who have testified. The historian Tanika Sarkar, who played a leading role in investigating the events and interviewing witnesses, has argued in an important article that the evident preoccupation with destroying women’s sexual organs reveals “a dark sexual obsession about allegedly ultra-virile Muslim male bodies and overfertile Muslim female ones, that inspire[s] and sustain[s] the figures of paranoia and revenge.”1 This sexual obsession is evident in the hate literature circulated during the carnage, of which the following “poem” is a typical example:

Narendra Modi [Chief Minister of Gujarat] you have fucked the mother of [Muslims]
The volcano which was inactive for years has erupted
It has burnt the arse of [Muslims] and made them dance nude
We have untied the penises which were tied till now
Without castor oil in the arse we have made them cry. . .
Wake up Hindus, there are still [Muslims] alive around you
Learn from Panvad village where their mother was fucked
She was fucked standing while she kept shouting
She enjoyed the uncircumcised penis
With a Hindu government the Hindus have the power to annihilate [Muslims]
Kick them in the arse to drive them out of not only villages and cities but also the country.
[The word rendered “Muslims” (“miyas”) is a word meaning “mister” that is standardly used to refer to Muslims.]
As Sarkar says, the incitement to violence is suffused with anxiety about male sexuality, and the treatment of women that resulted seems to enact a fantasy of sexual sadism far darker than mere revenge. In an affidavit submitted to the Commission of Enquiry in June 2002, the leading feminist legal activist Flavia Agnes testified that although sexual crime is a common part of communal violence, the “scale and extent of atrocities perpetrated upon innocent Muslim women during the recent violence, far exceeds any reported sexual crime during any previous riots in the country in the post-independence period.”2





06:29pm, 7th Jan 2008   The Truth about Narendra Modi

k4sh

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Msg no: 36683

you are wasting you time.

Most gujus on this forum don't really care.

So long as the rupees are flying in, most Gujarati's seem content to ignore his murderous past (the the recent election results have shown).

The Sikhs of 1984 are still waiting for justice after the massacre by Hindu mobs....sadly the Muslims of Gujarat will probably have to wait just as long.


10:46pm, 7th Jan 2008   The Truth about Narendra Modi

kaalia_81

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Msg no: 36687

what makes you think this is 'truth'??

this is one big pile of heavy false shit, smacks of lies and utter bullshit.


11:31am, 8th Jan 2008   The Truth about Narendra Modi

mits

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hmm, lets just take a little look at the article.

"At least one Muslim vendor was beaten up when he refused to say “Jai Sri Ram” (“Hail Ram”), and a young Muslim girl narrowly escaped forcible abduction. As the train left the station, stones were thrown at it, apparently by Muslims.
"



Can't you see the bias in this article?

Everything Musilms did is "apparently" and everything Himdus did is "fact".


Just makes me question the credibility.


No doubt shit happened from both sides. Both sides are liable.


12:37pm, 8th Jan 2008   The Truth about Narendra Modi

Basic

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Msg no: 36689

Isn't your speculation a mere speculation?

Unless you can support a counter argument which is credible your accusations of falsehood are no more or less reliable as their speculations of the truth.

You may aswell start your own conspiracy theory.

Bobby Digital clearly did this to get a rise out of you and it's clearly working.


02:32pm, 8th Jan 2008   The Truth about Narendra Modi

plagarism

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Msg no: 36690

it seems as if everything a muslim does has excuses. muslims wake up and stop making excuses , do something about it (other then condemning, blowing up or telling others to change). Do some thing effective and positive to win the respect of the global population.


03:09pm, 8th Jan 2008   The Truth about Narendra Modi

Basic

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Msg no: 36691

^was that an address to the World was it?


04:03pm, 8th Jan 2008   The Truth about Narendra Modi

kaalia_81

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Msg no: 36692

it needs no explanation the piece by Nussbaum, but just that its BULL.

No rise, just a suitable answer as BULL above will suffice.


06:47pm, 8th Jan 2008   The Truth about Narendra Modi

plagarism

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Msg no: 36693

basic no it wasnt.

I was just saying that people need to sometimes look at themselves and change instead of demanding everyone else change for them all the time.

People are eventually gonna get pissed off - any they are..look at what going on in the world.


08:36pm, 8th Jan 2008   The Truth about Narendra Modi

Basic

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So how is that relevant to the thread?

What you're saying that the Muslims in Gujarat that have had their families murdered from genocide, should be more introspective as it is surely their own fault why their family members were murdered, not the fault of the animals that went on a rampage...right I get it now.

:|


10:47pm, 8th Jan 2008   The Truth about Narendra Modi

inders

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Msg no: 36695

Wow, someone even managed to blame Modi on the muslims.



10:20pm, 9th Jan 2008   The Truth about Narendra Modi

balance_singh

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Modi is hated by the ruling congress, the lefties, the media and even by half of his own bjp party yet still no one can go beyond these baseless allegations and actually bring charges against him in a court of law. Ummm maybe that tells us something about the validity of these allegations.

If the Moslems of Gujarat are unhappy at the election results and no longer wish to live under his rule then they are welcome to move to a neighbouring state or country....I'm sure laloo ji's bihar would oblige.


11:11pm, 9th Jan 2008   The Truth about Narendra Modi

inders

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Msg no: 36698

Theres no balance in that singh.

Modi is not ruling, he's administering the state of Gujarat. The clue lies in his title of chief minister.

If the muslims of Gujarat are unhappy with his administration they are able to mobilise and build a campaign to get him voted out in the next election.

Alternatively they are able to pursue any wrong doings in the courts of India. Because someone hasn't been found guilty yet, does not mean they haven't done anything wrong. It doesn't mean that they will be found not guilty in the future.

The role of an opposition within a democracy is a vital one. Just because you win an election does not mean you are able to do whatever you wish. There are things called checks and balances.




08:20pm, 13th Apr 2008   The Truth about Narendra Modi



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10:42am, 14th Apr 2008   The Truth about Narendra Modi

bathing_ape

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Balance_Singh, do y ou also say that the Sikhs who are unhappy about the events of 1984 should just piss off to another country ?

What you are saying is that citizens of a country cannot expect to live without fear and with dignity in their homeland, regardless of their religious beliefs. You're very stupid.
Inders, dude, seriously are you so naive to believe that justice can be found in the Indian legal system or political system ? Its all fucked. Admittedly there are small steps being made toward improving but it will not happen in our lifetimes that people like Modi cant buy off courts and police and elections.
There really is very little that can be done and that is the shame of it all.
Digital, you're just a fuckin troll man, stirring shit up for nothing. People who care already know and people who dont care dont wanna know.


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