| 09:54am, 16th Jul 2006 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
scimitar
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 21392
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And yet Leaders like Bush and Blair support them..
Blairs comments are so much 'Bushims' its scary - talk about muddying waters yet refusing to call a halt.
Bush - well he is an american president - "why do they hate us so much..?" nuff said.
http://news.uk.msn.com/Article.aspx?cp-documentid=665825 |
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| 10:54am, 16th Jul 2006 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
Kaalia_81
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 21394
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current G8 Summit, major chasms growing between Bush (and Blair) and the rest.
Putin for one has really made some cheeky headline digs at Bush! |
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| 11:24am, 16th Jul 2006 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
nyrone
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 21396
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I know just what you mean. It's become a football game...for the states and the media selling it. |
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| 12:43pm, 16th Jul 2006 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
waxon
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 21401
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The Media sells what the state wants....you just have to look at the coverage on Sky News/BBC News.
For Lebanese coverage
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=LIN20060715&articleId=2739 |
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| 01:39pm, 16th Jul 2006 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
nadiaaa
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 21402
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Most of the British media is biased, its controlled by the Americans/Israelis - TWATS |
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| 01:40pm, 16th Jul 2006 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
Fojee_Rajpuri
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 21403
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How do the Israelis control the British press? |
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| 01:46pm, 16th Jul 2006 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
nadiaaa
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 21404
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http://www.heretical.com/British/mindbend/read.html
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/shadow/jewishmedia_uk.shtml
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| 01:49pm, 16th Jul 2006 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
nadiaaa
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 21405
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http://www.rense.com/general38/brits.htm |
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| 01:49pm, 16th Jul 2006 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
nadiaaa
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 21406
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http://www.radioislam.org/islam/english/jewishp/britain/media.htm |
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| 01:53pm, 16th Jul 2006 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
Fojee_Rajpuri
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 21407
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Right. Thanks. |
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| 01:55pm, 16th Jul 2006 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
nadiaaa
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 21408
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My pleasure  |
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| 07:44pm, 16th Jul 2006 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
bradfords_finest
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 21438
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personally i jst think israel use media to they advantage
the arab countries dont know how to play the media, instead they like to burn flags and shout death to usa and death to jews
whereas now the israelis are showing kids crying and bombed homes and blood on the floor
if i was neautral il know hwo il feel sori for |
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| 12:54am, 17th Jul 2006 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
donny
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 21442
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http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=LIN20060715&articleId=2739
man I could only watch a few seconds....
Israel is one sick fuk - amazing how their control on media can brainwash peeps into thinking they are some 'civilised' nation!!! |
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| 11:30am, 17th Jul 2006 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
sayeds33
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 21444
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i think its great
hizbollah is finally attacking the army and shit rather than israeli civilians
they have a one up now.
whereas the israelis still attacking villages and shit. |
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| 11:31am, 17th Jul 2006 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
DarkStar
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 21445
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Fojee
Rupert Murdochs mum was orthodox Jew - and besides that, he has invested HEAVILY in Israel and is a very clos friend to Ariel Sharon.
Seeing as Rupert owns some huge global news networks, Sky, Fox....its easy to see how he can push the Israelis agenda |
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| 12:13pm, 17th Jul 2006 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
Kaalia_81
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 21446
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I would totally agree with Darkstar on this, media and agenda! |
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| 12:39pm, 17th Jul 2006 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 21447
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Israel arent going to stop this offensive so if hizbollah truly care about the people of lebanon they should hand back the two soldiers and stop missiled attacks from southern lebanon.........quite simple really. (just as the govt of Saudi Arabia have suggested to Hizbollah) |
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| 04:51pm, 17th Jul 2006 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
Ms_XtReMe
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 21458
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What's happening is really sad.
Start of WW3 you think? |
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| 08:45pm, 17th Jul 2006 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
bradfords_finest
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 21478
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nash not ww3
the brits got all that they wanted in 2
got rid of the sunni ottomans, but puppet kings in charge of oil filled land
and got jews land for israel
world war 2 was perfect for them |
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| 09:10pm, 17th Jul 2006 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
gezzer
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 21480
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got rid of the sunni ottomans, but puppet kings in charge of oil filled land
and got jews land for israel[bradfords_finest]
The Arabs helped in both those regards it was not just the Brits. Arab militia launched numerous military raids on Turkish outposts and drove them from their land. Rich Arab aristocrats also sold land to rich Jews from Europe. |
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| 09:28pm, 17th Jul 2006 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
gezzer
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 21481
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And yet Leaders like Bush and Blair support them..
Blairs comments are so much 'Bushims' its scary - talk about muddying waters yet refusing to call a halt.[scimitar]
Lol I saw that he actually surpassed Bush in his condemnation.
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| 10:40pm, 17th Jul 2006 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
inders
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 21487
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the brits got all that they wanted in 2 ?
how so ?
Bankrupt for the next 50 years and the destruction of the empire? |
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| 04:58pm, 22nd Jul 2006 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
bradfords_finest
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 21701
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i got a feeling israelis will try taking ontrol of Litani River. make it a buffer zone or something |
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| 08:09pm, 22nd Jul 2006 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
Apni
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 21710
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Was there not some kind of march taking place in london about this? |
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| 08:11am, 23rd Jul 2006 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
bradfords_finest
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 21725
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there were a few held all over england |
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| 10:51am, 23rd Jul 2006 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
Kaalia_81
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 21731
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interesting..
God's army has plans to run the whole Middle East
Hezbollah, the group at the heart of the Lebanese conflict, is the spearhead of Iran’s ambitions to be a superpower, says Iranian commentator Amir Taheri
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,176-2281184,00.html |
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| 03:56pm, 23rd Jul 2006 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
bradfords_finest
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 21736
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it seems israelis were planning these attacks a long time ago
finally got an excusae to do so |
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| 05:36pm, 14th Feb 2008 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
mamatedave
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 37076
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here we go again?
Hezbollah chief Hassan Nasrallah has warned that the militant group is ready for "open war" with Israel, after the killing of one of its leaders in Syria.
Nasrallah made the declaration during a fiery speech at the funeral of Imad Mughniyeh in Lebanon's capital, Beirut.
There is huge tension in the city, where thousands are attending Mughniyeh's funeral and rivals have held a memorial for ex-PM Rafik Hariri.
It is three years since Hariri was killed, plunging Lebanon into crisis.
Mughniyeh was killed in a car bombing in the Syrian capital, Damascus, on Tuesday.
Correspondents say the events come at a tense time, with no president and no working parliament.
A huge security operation is under way amid fears of clashes between the pro-Syrian Hezbollah supporters and the anti-Syrian Hariri supporters.
About 8,000 army and internal security force troops have been deployed, with the aim of keeping the two factions apart.
The BBC's Mike Sergeant in Beirut says the two events will separate them naturally, but there are fears that people departing from mixed neighbourhoods could clash with rival groups on the streets.
Israel on alert
Mughniyeh's funeral, which Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki is attending, is taking place in the Hezbollah stronghold of the southern suburbs of Beirut.
Speaking to the crowds of mourners via a giant video screen, Nasrallah blamed Israel for his death and said its war against the Jewish state was not over.
"Zionists, if you want this sort of open war, then let the whole world hear, so be it!" he declared.
Nasrallah said that Israel thought that Mughniyeh's death "would lead to the destruction of the resistance... but they are wrong".
He insisted: "The blood of Imad Mughniyeh will make them [Israel] withdraw from existence."
Israel has rejected Hezbollah's claims that it is responsible for Mughniyeh's assassination, but nonetheless has put its embassies and other missions around the world on high alert and boosted troop deployments on the Lebanese border.
Security sources said the alert could remain in force for weeks or even months.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7245042.stm |
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| 07:55pm, 14th Feb 2008 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
some_body
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 37077
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wonders who killed that dude |
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| 08:00pm, 14th Feb 2008 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
Omz
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 37078
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Hezbollah won that July war didn't they? |
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| 09:59pm, 29th Feb 2008 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
mamatedave
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 37182
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hezbollah won? hardly!
Both sides lost. Hezbollah in their efforts to be 'hard men' in kidnapping the israeli soldier led to the lives of their innocent countrymen being lost for no real reason and the israelis were left with egg on their face in not being able to defeat a militia despite its own immense military strength.
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| 03:42am, 22nd Mar 2008 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
Fojee_Rajpuri
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 37264
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I wouldn't say anyone could express claims of victory but Hezbollah were never going to be easy to root out.
They hid amongst civilians and used military grade hardware against an enemy who were unable to pick specific targets amongst targets in densely populated urban areas from afar. |
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| 08:06pm, 22nd Mar 2008 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
some_body
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 37265
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haha thats a first
when have israelis ever cared about densely populated areas
lol |
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| 11:01pm, 23rd Mar 2008 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
Fojee_Rajpuri
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 37271
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They're not the ones who deliberately target civilians and hide behind their own because they know they'd get their asses kicked back into the desert if they dared try tackle the enemy face to face. |
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| 08:07am, 24th Mar 2008 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
some_body
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 37272
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israelis used the same tactics with the british in 40s and it worked |
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| 10:04pm, 24th Mar 2008 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
Omz
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 37273
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Israel would target densely populated areas regardless. Israel used that as an excuse to justify why civilians were being killed. |
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| 11:09pm, 25th Mar 2008 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
Fojee_Rajpuri
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 37303
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Yes, some_body, and Nelson Mandela supported using guerrilla warfare tactics that resulted in the deaths of South African civilians in his desperate bid for an end to apartheid... so if he can do it, Hezbollah can!!!
Israel would target densely populated areas regardless. Israel used that as an excuse to justify why civilians were being killed.
Omz, back to Chilling you go, sunshine... there's a good lad... |
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| 11:27pm, 25th Mar 2008 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
Basic
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 37305
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Foj
I know neither of us are warfare strategists, but you don't need to be an expert to see that the Israeli tactics are severely heavy handed for a reputable army. |
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| 01:12am, 26th Mar 2008 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
Fojee_Rajpuri
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 37306
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I am indeed a warfare strategist, hence the Fojee moniker.
But seriously though, you tell me how else you'd deal with an enemy that insists on hiding behind and disguising themselves amongst civilians and then attacking your people using terrorist activities and firing rockets indiscriminately at your people from across the border, Basic.
Israeli citizens are the outright targets of organisations like Hezbollah and Hamas- so when their citizens are attacked, the IDF and the like are well within their rights to target militants who, rather unfortunately, are too cowardly to confront the Israeli army head-to-head.
The miserable consequence is that there is collateral damage and that harms already wretched innocent Palestianians and Lebanese alike.
But of course, in many people's eyes, the Israelis are damned if they do and damned if they don't.
They can't stop their citizens being the victims of terrorist activities without trying to root out those perpetrators who hide within the Palestinian and Lebanese civilian populations. And when that happens, rather unfortunately, innocent Palestinians and Lebanese folk are caught in the cross fire.
But do you mean to tell me that Israel should cease to try stopping these militant attacks because they incur innocent Palestinian and Lebanese lives?
Are you valuing their lives above those of innocent Jews?
I should hope not. |
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| 01:30pm, 26th Mar 2008 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
Omz
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 37308
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"you tell me how else you'd deal with an enemy that insists on hiding behind and disguising themselves amongst civilians"
Back up that claim with some hard evidence. Oh, actually Israel are saying that is the only reason why there were civilian casualties, therefore they must be telling the truth innit. |
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| 03:41pm, 26th Mar 2008 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
Fojee_Rajpuri
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 37310
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Back up that claim with some hard evidence. Oh, actually Israel are saying that is the only reason why there were civilian casualties, therefore they must be telling the truth innit
Fine.
![]() http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/12/05/world/middleeast/05mideast_graph.large.gif
Firing from civilian areas is in itself a war crime, might I add.
What say you?
Oh, and...
Elias Hanna, a retired Lebanese Army general... asked whether Hezbollah should be seen as responsible for the deaths of Lebanese civilians in the war, he replied: “Of course Hezbollah is responsible. But these people are ready to sacrifice their lives for Hezbollah. If you tell them, ‘Your relative died,’ they will tell you ‘No, he was a martyr.’ The party’s military preparations from 2000 till 2006 took place in their areas. They were of course done with complete secrecy, but in accordance with the civilians.”
Also...
During the war, Israel dropped leaflets urging villagers to leave southern Lebanon and also to evacuate from Hezbollah strongholds in southern Beirut. Many did flee, but some remained and among them were hundreds who were killed.
A brilliant tactic if ever I saw it- attacking civilians yet telling them to leave the area before impending attacks...
Amnesty International... accused Hezbollah of “serious violations of international humanitarian law” for deliberately attacking Israeli civilians with rockets.
Muhammad Srour, a young Hezbollah fighter, said he had initially received training in Iran and was undergoing further training in eastern Lebanon’s Bekaa Valley when the war broke out. He was sent to the front lines.
Like many Hezbollah fighters, he traveled by motorbike, but they were frequently the targets of Israeli forces. While transporting missiles, hidden in cloth, in and around the southern village of Aita al Shaab, “I carried a white flag,” Mr. Srour said.
Another captured fighter, Hussein Suleiman, explained how he had set up a rocket-firing position on the front porch of a house on the outskirts of Aita al Shaab.
A third Hezbollah man, Maher Kourani, said group members had worn civilian clothes, tried never to show their weapons, and traveled in ordinary civilian cars. “We use Volvos, Mercedes, BMW,” he said. “We use Range Rovers, too.”
And so on and so forth. |
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| 08:55pm, 26th Mar 2008 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
Basic
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 37315
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Fojee (thought it was by name, not by nature)
True, the likes of Hezbollah and Hamas attack from within boundaries. Put them on a battlefield they would be obliterated due to the mass of Israeli hardware.
That same Israeli hardware is what causes the civilian casualties. Take away the hardware and put Israeli soldiers on a battlefield, they would be pretty vulnerable from a Hamas or Hezbollah attack.
So to adopt a common sense approach the Israelis should use their best commodity which is just as acclaimed as the military hardware they have. Intelligence.
Mossad (despite it being an intelligence organisation open to a lot of criticism) still have excellent facilities to survey their enemies. If they can survey their enemies they can easily send task forces in to take out the enemy. Yes it involves more work, but it reduces the risk of civilian casualties.
To me it just looks like the lazy option to use aerial bombardment.
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| 09:57am, 27th Mar 2008 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
Candide
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 37323
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Basic, that really is a weak argument. There should be no excuse for hiding amongst civilians, esp. if you consider yourself some sort of 'holy warrior'. The only benefit is that its good propaganda when civilians get killed by bombs etc which are really intended for you.
Its like when they hide or place ammunition in mosques and churches and oddly expect the “evil kafirs/unbelievers” not to attack because it’s a holy place of worship. Last year a group of hamas terrorists where hiding in a mosque and because they were surrounded, they called their wives and children to come from their homes and surround the place so that they could escape. Playing on the hope that the evil Isrealis wont shoot into the crowd because there are women and children there.
On the one hand they call them inhumane, and on the other hand they hope the enemy’s humanity will prevent them from attacking civilian/religious places.
But hey, if they do, its still good.
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| 09:26pm, 27th Mar 2008 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
some_body
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 37327
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Amnesty International... accused Hezbollah of “serious violations of international humanitarian law” for deliberately attacking Israeli civilians with rockets.
lmao
and how many un resolutions have israel broken?????
im actually against hizbullah and hamas, specially when they kill innocent israelis cilvilians
but i see both sides doing the same thing. but one sides got the better weapons and a highly trained army |
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| 11:59pm, 28th Mar 2008 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
POLITICALY_INCORRECT
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 37336
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Im not a Muslim but I have always had the highest respect for Shia's esp. Hezbollah in southern Lebanon. Shia's come across as altruistic and united. They have a really strong community feeling. Hezbollah and the Mehdi Army are known to provide social services, healthcare and charity to their own people, as well as protection and resistance; even most soldiers in the Iraqi army sympathise with the Mehdi Army. Hezbollah are the only armed force that has given Israel a right kicking. And Ive always heard concerns about justice and equity coming from the mouths of most Shia clerics.
Armed and clerical Sunni's, on the other hand, have nothing to offer apart from hatred, death and destruction. They dont even have any social or economic policies and no basic manners. And they cant even dent Israel - their suicide bombings have made the Israeli's even more bold. Israel has withdrawn from the Shia south of Lebanon twice. |
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| 09:38pm, 29th Mar 2008 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
Basic
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 37337
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Candide, how is my argument weak? I'm not defending Hamas or Hezbollah. I'm fully aware of their tactics, what I'm saying is the Israeli strategy is way too heavy handed, and their actions have been criticised by the UK, European and US forces in the past.
All I'm saying is that they can fight their enemies in other ways apart from dropping a bomb in a 'suspect neighborhood' and then hope for the best.
They know who they're after, they know who the figureheads are, why don't they just send task forces or assassins in to sniper them? Surely their intelligence is sophisticated enough to do that? |
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| 11:28am, 30th Mar 2008 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
Candide
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 37343
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Basic, I agree the isreali strategy is heavy handed, but the real blame to the innocent lives lost belongs to hamas and Hezbollah. There is no getting away from that. If you fire rockets from the roof of your neighbour’s house and shortly afterwards it gets bombed, killing everyone inside, you blame the isrealis?
The blood is on your hands.
The isrealis do know who they are after, but the problem is that these noble holy warriors hide inside civilian communities, using them as human shields. There is no getting away from that fact.
To actually think that is possible to always go into such communities and “surgically remove” the figurehead without lose of life of their own men or civilians is stupid. They have done it several times, they have also used explosives in mobiles etc to kill terrorists, and used informers, kidnapped or assassinated terrorists. But its not always possible.
“Hezbollah and the Mehdi Army are known to provide social services” – politically
Of course they do, so do the sunni insurgents, fateh etc. They have to. If they didn’t, then it would be political suicide. They would have no support amongst their people. Last year’s war in Lebanon showed that. If hezbollah didn’t quickly agree to give money to the families that lost lives, houses, and property, and help rebuild their homes, they would have lost all support. Don’t be fooled about groups providing social services. They are just sweeteners to keep the populace chanting from the same hymn sheet.
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| 07:40pm, 30th Mar 2008 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
Basic
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 37345
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Candide if we want to see who'se really to blame. we're having to consult the history books. Tell it how it is, it's really about calling a spade a spade.
If a Hezbollah or Hamas fighter kills some innocent Israelis they' should be held accountable for it, the same applies to Israeli soldiers aswell. Having a guise of respectability and legitimacy can only go so far, when they carry out attacks that really don't look like they are thought through.
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| 08:44pm, 30th Mar 2008 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
Candide
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 37348
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I didn’t say the isreali are above blame. I agreed with your about the heavy handedness.
So you don’t condemn hamas and hezbollah for hiding amongst civilians and effectively using civilians and places of worship as human shields and places to hide in? You seemed to completely ignore those points I made in my pervious post.
Seriously?
Its got nothing to do with consulting history books and saying things like “they do it as well”
Morally it is wrong to place innocent people in harms way whilst you wage some sort of holy war on your enemies. Especially so when you use religious rhetoric from holy books and the name of your god.
Be it from the point of view of a country, an organisation, or individually. If I fired rockets from the roof of my neighbour’s house which is then bombed by the enemy, killing everyone inside – it is MY fault for putting them in harm’s way. I’m the one who is the first to be accountable. They died due to MY actions.
You cant see that?
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| 09:11pm, 30th Mar 2008 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
Basic
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 37349
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'If a Hezbollah or Hamas fighter kills some innocent Israelis they' should be held accountable for it'
Is that not condemnation enough for you?
I see what you're saying, but if Israelis did react that way by simply bombing suspect targets, you'd find a lot of innocent civilian casualties. If a family gets wiped out in the process of finding one person the method is ineffective and it makes the Israeli army look like cold hearted killers.
The role of the soldier is not merely to kill the enemy but to also preserve the lives of innocents. I don't expect the likes of Hezbollah or Hamas to have that sort of charter but you do expect something from a sovereign state with an official military which is meant to be second to none. |
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| 10:23am, 31st Mar 2008 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
Candide
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 37352
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I wasn’t talking about them killing innocent isreali civilians. I was asking when they fire FROM civilian areas, places of worship and use human shields, are they not responsible for their deaths first and foremost?
With regards to charters and sovereign states etc – err these organisations claim to have the sovereignty and blessing of allah himself. Their own manifesto/banner/flags etc have pictures and lines from the koran (along with the AK47!!). They claim their cause is noble, so shouldn’t they behave more nobly?
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| 08:56pm, 31st Mar 2008 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
Basic
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 37353
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'I wasn’t talking about them killing innocent isreali civilians. I was asking when they fire FROM civilian areas, places of worship and use human shields, are they not responsible for their deaths first and foremost?'
Yes. Which is why I'm not supporting their actions. Israel has the right to defend itself and to attack the people that attack them, but attacking from the direction of where shots are fired is plain stupid.
That is where the intelligence should come in the military and the general sense of the term. |
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| 07:38am, 1st Apr 2008 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
reelist
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 37354
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"but attacking from the direction of where shots are fired is plain stupid."
is it? :s
if i was a soldier and got shots fired at me from the north, why would i attack south?
"The role of the soldier is not merely to kill the enemy but to also preserve the lives of innocents. I don't expect the likes of Hezbollah or Hamas to have that sort of charter but you do expect something from a sovereign state with an official military which is meant to be second to none."
then you're talking about a dirty war. if one side played by the rules and the other didn't, it isn't exactly "fair", is it? the israelis in this case arn't the first to break the rules then, are they?
cand - "Be it from the point of view of a country, an organisation, or individually. If I fired rockets from the roof of my neighbour’s house which is then bombed by the enemy, killing everyone inside – it is MY fault for putting them in harm’s way. I’m the one who is the first to be accountable. They died due to MY actions."
the first to be accountable is, and always will be, the one pulling the trigger. |
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| 08:43am, 1st Apr 2008 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
Candide
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 37356
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"the first to be accountable is, and always will be, the one pulling the trigger. "
Exactly. I just dont understand why some people cant see that, and instead pass the blame to the enemy. I wonder what the view point would be if the tables were turned.
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| 08:52am, 1st Apr 2008 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
reelist
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 37357
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^ that includes israel. |
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| 09:37am, 1st Apr 2008 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
Candide
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 37359
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I have consistently said that. Thats a given, which is constantly pointed out here by everyone. The other side is never, and instead excuses are made.
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| 11:31am, 1st Apr 2008 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
Basic
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 37360
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^ That's inevitable when you have an extremely biased online community, either side.
It doesn't make it right but just the nature of the beast. |
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| 11:39am, 1st Apr 2008 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
reelist
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Msg no: 37361
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^ so that makes it ok for all the muslims on here to defend their fellow muslims/attack israel, but not for candide or anyone else to defend the israelis? |
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| 01:37pm, 1st Apr 2008 |
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Basic
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Msg no: 37362
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'It doesn't make it right but just the nature of the beast'
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| 01:40pm, 1st Apr 2008 |
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Basic
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Msg no: 37363
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^Surely from that you can clearly see that it isn't right to defend people when they commit wrong.
I shouldn't really have to spell it out further.
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| 10:53pm, 2nd Apr 2008 |
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POLITICALY_INCORRECT
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Msg no: 37368
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We can sit here and condemn Palestinian violence against Israel all we like and feel good about it. BUT look at other disadvantaged native peoples around the world - the Karen of Burma, the people of Tibet, Native Americans, Aboriginals, black South Africans, Indian tribes of Latin America etc. All them were once proud and noble nations, but since reduced to destitution and second class status in their own land, mostly by white people. These people cannot even pick up a sling or a stone and fight back for what was rightfully theirs, that's how broken their arms are. So, they dont make any news headlines, they are unimportant and nobody gives a shit about them. BUT the Israeli-Palestinian dispute was described by theologian Mark Dowd as being the cancer of the world. Why ? Because of the violence. Geopolitics revolves around this tiny stretch of the Earth. This shows that violence, no matter how gruesome or distasteful it is, actually works. If you fought your resistance with the ballot box, nobody would take you seriously. If Palestinians did not kidnap, take hostages, carry out suicide bombings, killings etc., then they would be insignificant. I saw footage of a tearful Palestinian woman begging Israeli soldiers in the West Bank not to demolish her small home, all because she did not have planning permission for it ! In this day and age of human rights. How would you feel if you were kicked off your land, had restrictions imposed on you, your children died in airstrikes (disproportionate), had to live like a pig in a can (the Gaza Strip) and you had to watch your oppressor living the life of riley on the other side of the fence while you did not have a job or a home and mouths to feed ? You'd be fucking pissed off. And you'd be even more pissed off if the dickheads of the western world preached non-violence and secularism to you with one hand (i.e. persistent condemnation of Hamas and expectation that the Palestinians must unconditionally recognise Israel) but screwed you with the other (supplying weapons to Israel and backing Israel on the world stage whatever it does). Let the liberal do gooders lament armed struggle, liberals are the sperm of the Devil, but Im sure that Palestinians feel that armed struggle has returned some of their dignity to them. Mao was right, power comes out of the barrel of a gun. |
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| 09:46am, 3rd Apr 2008 |
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Candide
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Msg no: 37369
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“This shows that violence, no matter how gruesome or distasteful it is, actually works.”
If violence worked, then the Palestinians would have got their land back years ago. The Palestinians under the various groups like hamas, fateh, Hezbollah, PLO, Black September et al have been fighting the Israelis in numerous gruesome and distasteful ways for the past 50 years. Be it hijacking and blowing up planes, killing Israeli athletes, kidnapping westerners e.g. John McCartney, Brain Keenen, Terry Waite etc, suicide bombers, firing missiles etc.
What have they gained from all of this? Absolutely nothing. What have they lost? Everything. Especially their dignity.
Their actions and the actions of their co-religionists who claim they are fighting for their cause and the cause of other moslems around the world have done more damage to the perception of their own religion and the Palestinians than any other. Be it 9/11, 7/7, 3/11, to killing school kids in Beslan, blowing up tourists in Egypt, Bali, Morocco, to beheading westerners. Not only that, but also killing their own – a daily occurrence in Iraq today. That is why the people of the world, although feel sorry for the Palestinians, every time they commit another gruesome and distasteful act think – fuck em.
The IRA, INLA, PIRA and its predecessors the United Irishmen had been fighting the British and their occupation of Ireland since around 1790. They killed, bombed, maimed etc. The Good Friday Agreement happened in 1998 – what did the IRA gain? FUCK ALL. Who gained? The “sperm of the Devil” liberals like the SDLP.
To come out with retarded statements like liberals are the sperm of the devil is hilarious. If there weren’t any liberals around, then what would you have? Narrow-minded fundamentalists who think their stance is right and everyone else is wrong. This is what causes wars and violence. You wouldn’t be able to live and work and worship your god(s) in this country if it wasn’t for liberals be it philosophers, politicians, theologians, or the people. Grow a brain.
Mark Dowd is an ex-catholic priest. Obviously he (as a westerner & a Christian) would call what it happening in the Middle East the cancer of the world. He is also contradictorily a liberal. Shock horror you quoting from a sperm from the devil. Ask someone in Africa who is neither, or just a christian/jew/moslem, and they would claim the cancer is in their continent. The same applies to South America and the Far East. Including India. The people of these countries don’t give a flying fuck about the Palestinians. They have their own cancers.
“i.e. persistent condemnation of Hamas and expectation that the Palestinians must unconditionally recognise Israel”
HAHA. Israel isn’t going anywhere. If the people in the Middle East want peace – they have to recognize each other (the jews and the arabs – the sons of Abraham) and make peace and have a dialogue with each other.
“supplying weapons to Israel and backing Israel on the world stage whatever it does”
Europe and America also supply money and arms to the Palestinians. The money from OUR taxes goes to the Palestinians. Islamic countries around the world supply money AND arms to the Palestinians, be it Syria, Iran, Iraq under saddam, Saudi, Libya, Egypt etc.
“Let the liberal do gooders lament armed struggle”
Two very simple examples and individuals – Mandela & South Africa, Gandhi & India.
“Mao was right, power comes out of the barrel of a gun.”
So first you’re advocating armed struggle for those who are “reduced to destitution and second class status in their own land”
Now you’re advocating tyranny and dictorship. Don’t you know that Mao and his little red book reduced the people of china to destitution and second class status in their own land?
HAHA
Read a fucking history book.
Violence breeds more violence. It doesn’t quench it.
Change your name to POLITICALY_&_MENTALLY_NAIVE
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| 09:50pm, 3rd Apr 2008 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
Ms_XtReMe
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Msg no: 37370
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I know I'm way late. And I'm not picking on you Candide but - this jumped out at me:
Basic, I agree the isreali strategy is heavy handed, but the real blame to the innocent lives lost belongs to hamas and Hezbollah. There is no getting away from that. If you fire rockets from the roof of your neighbour’s house and shortly afterwards it gets bombed, killing everyone inside, you blame the isrealis?
So I presume you believe the woman who walks down a street wearing a mini is asking to be raped?
You assume the community knows when there's a terrorist living next to them. If America can't figure that out - being as vocal and suspicious of everyone and everything - then what makes you think that illiterate 3rd worlders would know?
YOUR argument is weak. Israel is the bigger power - they oughta find another way - dontcha think? |
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| 08:41am, 4th Apr 2008 |
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Candide
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Msg no: 37373
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“And I'm not picking on you Candide”
HAHA of course not.....
“So I presume you believe the woman who walks down a street wearing a mini is asking to be raped?”
What?? Run that by me again?
“You assume the community knows when there's a terrorist living next to them. If America can't figure that out - being as vocal and suspicious of everyone and everything - then what makes you think that illiterate 3rd worlders would know?”
WHAT? The community doesn’t call them terrorists. They call them freedom fighters. Have you been to Gaza or the West Bank? People know who each fighter belongs to – be it Hamas or Fateh or the other minor subgroups/clans. Fuckin’ hell, when not fighting the Israelis, they are fighting amongst themselves. These guys BELONG to the community. It’s these guys/freedom fighters who are launching rockets from Gaza into Israel be it from grazing areas, olive or vine groves, or from built up areas including the roofs of houses.
“YOUR argument is weak. Israel is the bigger power - they oughta find another way - dontcha think?”
How is the argument weak? Firing rockets from residential areas and them blaming the Israelis for lose of life when they bomb the place is retarded. Yes Israel is the bigger power, but history has shown Israel to do some heinous acts to the Palestinians, not just steal land.
If your going to use the analogy of the mini-skirted girl, say it like it is – a mini skirted girl walking down a street full of rapists - she IS asking to be raped.
The Israelis don’t give a fuck about Palestinians dying, innocent or otherwise. The Palestinians don’t give a fuck about killing innocent Israelis. Both perform heinous and savage acts on each other and disparage each other (eg, the jews are the descendants of pigs & monkeys). And then they expect the other to “behave morally and nobly” to each other. Do not expect the Israelis to take some sort of “moral high ground”, esp. when you do not. They haven’t in the past, why would they now?
So WHY would you fire rockets from residential areas, knowing full well that they will bomb the place, which will no doubt kill everyone nearby?? You can say the first time it happened, you didn’t know the Israelis would do that. Now you know – so why continue the same action and put your own people in harm’s way?
You shouldn’t expect the Israelis from 50 odd years of occupation and mistreatment of the Palestinians to somehow grow a conscience and not drop bombs. You shouldn’t give them a chance in the first place. That’s why I said the people firing the rockets are to blame for the people the Israelis kill in retaliation when they bomb the place were the rockets were fired from. The “freedom fighters” actions are not doing anything but making it worse for their own people - they oughta find another way - dontcha think?
Obviously you will disagree.
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| 10:35am, 4th Apr 2008 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
Fojee_Rajpuri
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Msg no: 37375
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So I presume you believe the woman who walks down a street wearing a mini is asking to be raped?
That is an absolutely ridiculous statement to say the least.
And then to say someone else's argument is weak after having come out with that is pathetic.
What tripe. |
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| 04:18pm, 4th Apr 2008 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
Ms_XtReMe
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Msg no: 37399
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People know who each fighter belongs to – be it Hamas or Fateh or the other minor subgroups/clans.
I'm sorry, I don't agree. You're telling me that 5-10 yr olds that get killed know why they're getting attacked? Forget that. And I'm sure there's people that know exactly what's going on. But to assume that every person in the community knows and supports the terrorists amongst them is a bit deluded.
I'm not disagreeing with the fact that collateral damage happens in war. Fine. But there are ways - to avoid killing innocent people. The Americans in Iraq go house to house finding terrorists - because that is what's needed. Why can't Israel do the same?
The Palestinians don’t give a fuck about killing innocent Israelis.
Are we comparing willy sizes again? Its immature and stupid to give what you receive when you're far more powerful than the other.
The “freedom fighters” actions are not doing anything but making it worse for their own people - they oughta find another way - dontcha think?
Of course I agree. My only thing is - one side is going to have to change their ways in order for peace to happen. If the Palestinians aren't doing it - then Israel, being bigger and stronger than them - should.
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| 04:28pm, 4th Apr 2008 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
Ms_XtReMe
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Msg no: 37400
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By the way Candice - I'm very surprised that you'd advocate for shit to continue the way its always been.
They haven’t in the past, why would they now?
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| 05:45pm, 4th Apr 2008 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
Chyld
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Msg no: 37405
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WHAT? The community doesn’t call them terrorists. They call them freedom fighters.
And likewise the Israelis label their forces as peacemakers and not aggressors.
Have you been to Gaza or the West Bank? People know who each fighter belongs to – be it Hamas or Fateh or the other minor subgroups/clans.
No. Different clans wear different scarves and identify each other that way. BUT..the identity of Hamas/al-aqsa martyrs remains anonymous to the average person.
People do not have a clue who the fighters are.
Hamas/Al-Aqsa martyrs are very secretive about their business. They live in occupied lands where the common man is interrogated daily. They cannot afford to be public about their business.
Even members of both forces do not really know the whereabouts of members further up in the hierarchy.They are THAT cautious.
Thats why there are rocket attacks "out of the blue" by israel because they recieve tip-offs in regards to the where-abouts of certain influential members of both groups.
Hamas/Al-Aqsa martyrs live in hiding. To say that they are well known throughout the community is false.
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| 06:43pm, 4th Apr 2008 |
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Candide
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Msg no: 37408
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“You're telling me that 5-10 yr olds that get killed know why they're getting attacked?”
What?! Why not even lower the ages to 1 year olds and unborn babies. I’m talking about adults. Not 5 yr old kids. LOL
“But to assume that every person in the community knows and supports the terrorists amongst them is a bit deluded.”
Each person? 5-10 yr olds? Who are you going to mention next? Goats and donkeys in the community?
“But there are ways - to avoid killing innocent people. The Americans in Iraq go house to house finding terrorists - because that is what's needed. Why can't Israel do the same?”
Because, as I said, the Israelis don’t care if innocent people are killed. The Americans care because of how that is portrayed to the American people and the world in general. The Israeli people in general support the actions of the govt. and army. They don’t care what the outside world thinks, as shown by the numerous UN resolutions they has broken/discarded.
“Are we comparing willy sizes again? Its immature and stupid to give what you receive when you're far more powerful than the other.”
What are you on about now?? It is a simple fact that the Palestinians do not care about innocent Israelis who are killed, be it on buses, pizza parlors etc. The same applies to the Israelis, they do not care if Palestinian women and children are killed. They both expect the other be behave “morally”, whilst not doing so themselves. Hence the cycle of innocent death continues. And you’re talking about cock size! LOL
“Of course I agree. My only thing is - one side is going to have to change their ways in order for peace to happen. If the Palestinians aren't doing it - then Israel, being bigger and stronger than them - should.”
You agree that actions of the freedom fighters is causing harm to their people. Who is gaining from this? The Israelis are – their wall has increased land occupation. They are getting more and more of Palestinian land. And you expect the Israelis to change?? LOL. They are loving it - they get more land, make life even more shittier for the people, turning them cages. Their excuse is security. They won’t change, they will continue because it benefits them.
“By the way Candice - I'm very surprised that you'd advocate for shit to continue the way its always been.”
You silly moo. I’m saying the opposite. The actions of Hamas etc is doing nothing for the Palestinians. More deaths are occurring. They should do something else because what they are doing plainly doesn’t work.
“And likewise the Israelis label their forces as peacemakers and not aggressors.” – chyld
Erm, what has that got to do with my post?? MsX called them terrorists. I was explaining they are not to the Palestinians.
“BUT..the identity of Hamas/al-aqsa martyrs remains anonymous to the average person.” – chyld
By martyrs, do you mean the suicide wing?? If so, then yes your right, for obvious reasons. The average person – do you also mean 5-10 year olds? Otherwise no. I have worked/studied, and lived in Israel and the occupied territories. My mrs’ family comes from there. I have go there every year. To think that hamas, fateh etc work in secret is retarded. The head honchos, yes because they have prices on their heads from the Israelis and other Palestinian groups. The foot soldiers and the ones carrying out daily/nightly missions – the ones I was talking about regarding firing rockets etc – no. Its like the local Mafioso clan found in every city/town in italy. Everyone knows, but no one talks about it. Its an open secret. The punishment for grassing is a public execution in the streets. It happens.
“To say that they are well known throughout the community is false.”
By throughout, do you also mean 5-10 yr olds? You said you haven’t been to Gaza and the West Bank, so how do you know?
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| 08:04pm, 4th Apr 2008 |
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Ms_XtReMe
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Msg no: 37409
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Oh how nicely you point out the 5-10 yr old thing.
I was basically trying to say the "clueless" innocent people that get killed - who have no idea that the rocket was launched from their neighbor's house.
You make it look like they KNOW - and are okay with being killed.
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| 09:13am, 5th Apr 2008 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
Candide
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Msg no: 37414
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Holy fuck
How retarded are you?
First to come out with the mini-skirted girl thing.
Then you come out with the 5-10yr old thing.
Now its – “You make it look like they KNOW - and are okay with being killed.”
I have been talking about the guys firing the rockets from residential areas. Not the innocents living around the area. The guys with the rockets are the ones who do it, knowing full well the Israelis will no doubt drop a couple of bombs where the rockets were fired from. They know this, and appear to be ok with it happening with the end result of their fellow (innocent) Palestinians being killed.
If they weren’t ok with it, wouldn’t they have stopped firing from rooftops and areas where there are women and 5-10 yr olds etc?
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| 04:27pm, 7th Apr 2008 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
Ms_XtReMe
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Msg no: 37444
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I never said its not Hamas' or Hezbollahs fault. It'd take an idiot to say that they're not at fault.
My whole debate was about ISRAEL going in and bombing up the place to kill ONE 'freedom fighter.' In the process killing several dozen innocent people.
Say whatever you want - that IS Israel's fault. If there's another way, why not adopt it? I see your point that they haven't cared, not in the past, nor right now. That still doesn't make it okay to do. Regardless of what fucker stands up and launches rockets for their neighbor's roof.
They're both equally fucked and careless. My thing is - Israel has the resources and ability to find another way. The fact that they don't - is contributing to the unrest of that country. |
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| 07:57pm, 7th Apr 2008 |
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Fojee_Rajpuri
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Msg no: 37445
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They're both equally fucked and careless. My thing is - Israel has the resources and ability to find another way. The fact that they don't - is contributing to the unrest of that country.
Well stop and think about how much support the Palestinians are given by the oil-rich Arab nations and Iran and how much of these donation pledges are spent on arms, terrorist training etc. alone.
Don't you think if resources were used on humanitarian relief efforts etc. the Palestinians wouldn't be as wretched and they might be able to vent money into finding a way to live in peace next to Israel? |
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| 08:55pm, 7th Apr 2008 |
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Ms_XtReMe
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Msg no: 37446
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Well stop and think about how much support the Palestinians are given by the oil-rich Arab nations and Iran and how much of these donation pledges are spent on arms, terrorist training etc. alone.
Can you provide some reliable sources to this information. It smells like speculation rather than facts.
The second bit. Look, if the funding is specifically going to fund fighting, by other governments, then that should be stopped! Things like that aren't left undetected for too long.
I'd be the first to say, hello Palestinians, stop killing innocent people. It gets them nowhere. Sadly, they don't seem to understand that their measly little pebbles aren't going to do much damage to the tanks that Israel rolls in. Again, I understand the concept dude. ONE PARTY HAS TO BOW DOWN A BIT FOR THERE TO BE PEACE.
Since both parties are stubborn as heck - the country will continue being in turmoil.
Israel is a bigger economy than Palestine. Hence why I judge them more harshly. |
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| 09:34am, 8th Apr 2008 |
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Candide
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Msg no: 37447
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“I see your point that they haven't cared, not in the past, nor right now. That still doesn't make it okay to do.”
I didn’t say it was okay. Your still just being one sided, looking to blame Israel, not the Palestinians. Get it into your head – what the Palestinians are doing is of no benefit to them. It is to Israel. They have to try something else – the only thing they haven’t tried – peace.
I was going to post a reply to your post, but you have been coming out with some nonsensical stuff lately (“I'm not picking on you Candide”; “mini skirts”; “5-10 yr olds”, etc), and now you have come out with –
“Can you provide some reliable sources to this information. It smells like speculation rather than facts.”
Are you effing serious?? LOL. Next you will be saying Diana was indeed killed by Prince Philip.
And –
“Israel is a bigger economy than Palestine. Hence why I judge them more harshly.”
Of course that’s it! Your using the yard stick of economics to blame Israel.
Your killing me with laughter.
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| 01:21pm, 8th Apr 2008 |
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Basic
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Msg no: 37448
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If we just forget about how big one country is over the other and all that and just look at the basis of attack. It still isn't justified from either side.
If the Israelis have one of the most intracate intelligence services in the World, surely they can find other means and as Xtreme said, you have an intense military operation in Iraq and there doesn't seem to be a high proportion of civilian casualties.
Justifying the death of innocents (either side) is just plain stupid.
The issue here is about respectability, Hamas, Hezbollah etc are all labelled as terrorist organisations and thus should be treated as such, but you shouldn't really expect the same levels of terror that come from an official state army.
You can't really blame it on a few bad apples either, this is something that must be embedded as part of the culture of the Israeli security forces, what else can possibly explain the high rate of civilian casualties? |
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| 04:31pm, 8th Apr 2008 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
Ms_XtReMe
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Msg no: 37449
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Are you effing serious??
Why do you do that? Barrage others with nonsense down-talking rather than answer the question.
Show me the sources. I haven't read it anywhere, hence why I'm asking them to be shown.
Your still just being one sided, looking to blame Israel, not the Palestinians.
Huh? Then what does this mean to you Einstein: I never said its not Hamas' or Hezbollahs fault. It'd take an idiot to say that they're not at fault. ??
You love playing the twisting of the words game. So whatever.
The fact remains - for me - both sides are equally at fault. I expect that Israel find other ways again because of their economy and military power. To act like they're just defending themselves (which I'm sure they are) by going and blowing up SEVERAL houses for ONE terrorist - is stupid.
Basic is better with words than I am:
you shouldn't really expect the same levels of terror that come from an official state army.
'at's it. |
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| 07:58pm, 9th Apr 2008 |
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Fojee_Rajpuri
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Msg no: 37450
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It smells like speculation rather than facts
I wonder where Hezbollah got all those Katyushas from...
I heard the CIA funded the Mujahideen for a while too but I wasn't there so I can't prove it.
ONE PARTY HAS TO BOW DOWN A BIT FOR THERE TO BE PEACE
Don't you think it makes more sense for those who are using terrorist activities and deliberately targetting and calling for the murder of innocents to back down?
you have an intense military operation in Iraq and there doesn't seem to be a high proportion of civilian casualties
You, er, were being somewhat ironic, I hope?
You can't really blame it on a few bad apples either, this is something that must be embedded as part of the culture of the Israeli security forces, what else can possibly explain the high rate of civilian casualties?
There must be something awful rotten in the culture of the Palestinian peoples then, eh?
What with the widespread backing for Hamas... because without that you wouldn't be able to explain the high rate of Israeli citizens dying as a result of Hamas' activities. |
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| 08:15pm, 9th Apr 2008 |
Hezbollah vrs Israel |
Candide
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Msg no: 37454
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I think you both are ignoring what I have been saying throughout my posts, and rather continue to highlight the undeniable fact that Israel is the stronger power and has continually gone in strong handed. I have not denied that, nor have I supported that.
The point I was/continually making is that people who hide amongst and use civilians as shields, or use places of worship, be it mosques or churches to launch attacks, to hide themselves or their weapons have no excuse whatsoever to blame Israel if them retaliate, and in doing so innocent people are killed. It is first and foremost THEIR fault. If they fired away from civilian areas, no women, 5-10yr olds and other innocents would die.
The issue is about respectability. Not regarding what they are called by others – be it terrorists or freedom fighters or peacekeepers. The issue of respectability comes down to NOT putting your own people in the line of fire when you attack your enemy, or to use yours or other faiths’ places of worship as hiding places. Respect your own people – do not expect your enemy to respect your people when you yourself DO NOT.
As I said, do not keep harping on about Israel should do better because its bigger/more intelligent etc. Israel has never done anything which is not for the benefit for its own people. It protects its own people (something the Palestinians do not do). It has taken Palestinian land, imprisoned, executed, terrorised and basically made life hell for the Palestinians for the past 50 odd years. So do not expect them not to fire into civilian areas if it is given an excuse.
My post(s) have continually been saying – the Palestinians should not give them the excuse by NOT firing from civilian areas.
Today the a Palestinian militia group tried to kidnap some Israelis like they did the last time. They failed. Israel attacked – with tanks and helicopter missiles! – see, they don’t care how many are killed. How many people died?
These attacks for the past 8 years since Sharon entered the Temple Mount has done NOTHING for the Palestinians. Life has become shitter for them. But better for the Israelis.
Time for a change for tactic from the Palestinian side me thinks.
“Are you effing serious??”
I asked that because of your silly remark. Simple question - where do you think groups like Hamas are getting their money, weapons, ammunition, missiles from?? Do you think they are making them in some back alley using empty coke cans, an inkjet printer and toilet roll??
“you shouldn't really expect the same levels of terror that come from an official state army.”
Tell that to people suffering from the actions of the Russian army, the Chinese army, North Korean army, Burmese army, Mugabe’s Zimbabwean army etc etc etc
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