| 04:16pm, 11th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
sunny
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Msg no: 2374
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i think they're silly.
/sunny |
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| 04:51pm, 11th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
jattplaya
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Msg no: 2377
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LMAO!!!!
2 funny |
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| 04:57pm, 11th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
muai_thai
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Msg no: 2379
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lol thats quite good actually |
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| 05:00pm, 11th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
sunny
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 2380
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my bro had the same idea after 9/11 - wearing a t-shirt pointing out he was sikh and not muslim.
i pointed out the obvious - as an amritdhari sikh he should be there for the protection of all opressed people, not to tell a racist: "hey don't attack me attack someone who is muslim."
i'm happy to look ambiguous. if i get abused because people think i'm muslim - so be it. i'm not a coward.
/sunny |
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| 05:05pm, 11th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
DjTiGgEr
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Msg no: 2381
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Could always gear it towards never fear a sikh is here something cheesy like that. Serves the purpose of defining who a person is and then also is positive. Since the image and framework of who is a real sikh can't be defined. Works well to wear labels Hi my name is bobinder I am a sikh I should protect you butttt i dont' observe much of what my faith has to say soooooooo I'll redirect you towards someone you really hate. |
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| 05:11pm, 11th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
sunny
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Msg no: 2383
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exactly.
/sunny |
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| 07:56pm, 11th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
village_idiot
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Msg no: 2391
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LOL, this has got me stitches, dam. I got a couple of my own if anyone wants a sticker:
![](\"http://www.geocities.com/vyperuk2004/BEARDcopy.jpg\")
or how about
src="http://www.geocities.com/vyperuk2004/COVER.jpg"> |
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| 07:58pm, 11th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
village_idiot
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Msg no: 2392
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LOL, this has got me stitches, dam. I got a couple of my own if anyone wants a sticker:
or how about
![](\"http://www.geocities.com/vyperuk2004/COVER.jpg\")
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| 08:01pm, 11th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
village_idiot
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 2393
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wtf my links aint working?
![](\"http://www.geocities.com/vyperuk2004/cover.jpg\") |
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| 08:04pm, 11th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
village_idiot
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Msg no: 2394
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| 08:05pm, 11th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
village_idiot
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Msg no: 2395
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AHH I GOT IT |
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| 10:52pm, 11th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
Akhetnatun
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Msg no: 2398
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hehehehehe |
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| 12:41am, 12th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
sunny
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 2400
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lol at bakri lover!
/sunny |
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| 08:46am, 12th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
grimlock
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Msg no: 2405
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I think it's a good idea, I've been getting enough evil stares over the last few weeks and frankly I'm pissed off with it.
Whay should I feel uncomfortable, because some asshole blew himself up? |
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| 11:46am, 12th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
diamondgeeza
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Msg no: 2416
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grimlock, i'm a muslim and i get evil stares on the underground too and don't even ask how my mate (who's got a beard) feels. he's resorted to wearing his university id around his neck (even though it's summer vacation) so that people don't get up if they're sitting around him. it's happened on more than one occasion. people often get off the train and wait for the next one if he's in the same carriage as them.
right now, more than ever, british asians need to show solidarity with the moderate muslims. we don't approve of what those guys did anymore than the rest of the uk does.
to set yourself apart (as those stickers/slogans are designed to do) is a step closer to what parties like the BNP and (dis-)organisations like the NF want. |
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| 11:50am, 12th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
grimlock
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Msg no: 2417
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Diamondgeeza, I had 3 white guys look at my shopping carrier bags give me weird looks and then walk into the next carriage. It really is upsetting, and it's uncomfortable. I have been getting alot of hostile look's, especially from black people. They are really staring, like they are proving apoint or something.
Solidarity is a good thing, but mistaken identity is not an easy thing to live with. So in light of this how best is it to avoid these situations? Maybe over time it may die down, but all we need is another attack and the evil stares will be back. |
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| 12:03pm, 12th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
diamondgeeza
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Msg no: 2418
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all i can say is: you're not the only one.
as for avoiding these situations, unless you stop going out, there's no easy way around it.
but resorting to slogans like "don't freak i'm a sikh" ain't the way. put it this way, i'm a muslim and i don't agree with what those guys did... should i be persecuted with contemptuous looks and "evils" anymore than a person of another faith should?
it's all about perspective. put yourself not in the shoes of those that stare at you but in the shoes of a normal muslim.
unfortunately events like 7/7 bring out the best in people in that we all brave it through but they also bring out the worst in that some people put more significance on their prejudices than their fellow man. |
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| 12:35pm, 12th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
Basic
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 2419
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I've gone beyond caring.
The people that will say or do something are more likely to be prejudiced anyway.
If people stare, let them. Having a chip on your shoulder makes you look more guilty.
You guys are talking about stares, A female student at my college had flour thrown at her because she wears hijaab. The worst thing was a week before, her father died in Somalia, because of immigration rules she couldnt leave Britain because she is seeking asylum. The woman has 2 kids and her hubby left her and on top of all that some knob throws flour on her in an Asda car park.
The things that you guys talk about are nothing in comparison to what she went through, be thankful that you havent been attacked.
The stares can be overcome, but shit like this cant be overcome, its traumatic and I am thankful that it hasn't happened to me yet.
Just stick to normal routine, if shit comes to you, deal with it however you think is best, as you would in any other situation. We don't need a bombing as an excuse to show increased anger and hostility to people.
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| 12:59pm, 12th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
grimlock
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Msg no: 2421
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That's awful, unfortunately there are soem nasty people out there. Thing is you have to be really careful wherever you go.
My mates aunt was in a Sainsburys Savacentre and some white guy pulled her Hijab off and started to shout "you F@$king Paki"
Nobody in the store helped her
I feel that the stares are from people who may have not been prejudiced before. But now all of a sudden they have alot of contempt for Asian people. |
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| 01:00pm, 12th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
sunny
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Msg no: 2422
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i refuse to give into bigots. yeah people are goint to stare - that is inevitable. hell even i watch asians carefully... though i'm more chilled now.
over the medium term only the bigots will look for excuses to pick on brown people. bring them on.
/sunny |
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| 05:50pm, 12th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
delighted
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Msg no: 2441
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too many people did nothing while bigots ran around like idiots. it was a big mistake. and sikhs are now having to help pay the price |
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| 07:18pm, 12th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
Basic
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 2447
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delighted
it ain JUST SIKHS that are paying the price though.
Apart from the wider Muslim community.
You have the whole of the Asian community including mona sikhs, hindus, christians, jains, buddhists.
People who are or look middle eastern.
and Black people.
East Europeans.
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| 08:35pm, 12th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
delighted
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 2452
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sure i know that. but for awhile the atmosphere was too lenient for crazyies. you think sikhs, or east europeans, could have told those people to knock it off? it would have been considered an internal issue and we had little or no say |
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| 10:58am, 13th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
gadAFi
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Msg no: 2465
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looking at the other tee shirts on the site i found it on, i think its just a bit of light hearted fun
my thread
the site |
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| 11:00am, 13th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
gadAFi
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Msg no: 2466
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my thread |
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| 05:53pm, 13th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
delighted
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 2475
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even if its in fun, there's nothing wrong with sikhs making themselves to be what they are. we're our own community with our own history and principles |
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| 12:39pm, 14th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
sunny
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 2505
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cowards
/sunny |
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| 02:35pm, 14th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
delighted
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 2507
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its being a coward to assert your own community rather than constantly be mistaken for what you are not now? thats masochistic |
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| 06:42pm, 14th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
Basic
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 2513
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delighted
what difference is it going to make? These fascists may hate Muslims but they more than likely dislike Sikhs aswell along with Hindus.
Bigots are bigots, i've said this once and i'm saying it again. I doubt that the actions of 7/7 have changed peoples mindsets.
Those that hated Muslims, still hate Muslims.
Those that didnt, hate Muslims, still do not hate Muslims.
There is a margin for change, but human beings aren't that moronic that they need a sign in front of them to say "PLEASE DON'T ATTACK ME" to stop them getting attacked.
If anything its an insult of intelligence which would more than likely resort to a kicking.
The bag is saying HEY DON'T ATTACK ME...erm ATTACK THOSE OVER THERE!
A mindless thug wont even bother trying to differentiate they will see that your brown and they will start on you.
Any unjust attack on anyone irrespective of religion or culture is wrong, what the slogan says is hey don't take out your shit on me, take it out on those over there!
it aint right. |
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| 08:20pm, 14th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
delighted
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 2517
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it makes a whole lot of difference because there's no point in Sikhs simply being melded into another community.
We are a seperate community with history and values of our own. If possible, lets be judged by that. Sure racist people will always be racist, but as a community we don't exist solely as a reflection of other groups.
That bag is not saying attack them. Sikhs have a right to be known as a community in the UK. Sikhs units fought on behalf of the UK since WW I, for example. That bag is saying any number of things
I'm not for racist attacks or denigrating other communities. I do not think that makes it apparent I can't point out that Sikhs are a community in and of themselves, with their own history and principles. If Sikhs have to sit back and pretend we're not, let Sikhs have a say in the affairs of other communities. If not, what do you want? That we silently accept whatever any group wants to say or do about us? Thats pointless
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| 08:26pm, 14th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
delighted
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 2518
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also, once they are rightly known as a Sikh who is to say they won't defend the rights of others to live in peace? that actually IS a value with a lot of play in the Sikh community through history. At least they will not be passive victims of a ridiculous situation, but empowered people CHOOSING to help others.
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| 09:40pm, 14th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
Basic
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 2520
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delighted
Never have I said, nor implied that Sikhs are melded into another community.
I know full well that Sikhs are people with their own sense of religion, culture and identity.
I'm sure a lot of whites know the difference aswell.
The main issue is with the biggots, but biggots will remain biggots, their ideas are flawed and no matter how much proof you throw at their faces they will choose to ignore it and thus remain to be bigotted.
If people want to be educated, they will learn through discourse and asking question...not through slogans on a back pack. |
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| 11:23pm, 14th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
sunny
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Msg no: 2529
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stop making excuses for your cowardliness delighted - 'recognise all humanity as one' said the guru. clearly you love tribalism and would rather others get harassed instead of yourself.
coward.
/sunny |
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| 12:26am, 15th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
delighted
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Msg no: 2534
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Its to be expected you will engage is name-calling Sunny, but its still disgusting.
there's no tribalism here. you simply can't seem to understand a point of view different than your own.
There is no reason Sikhs can't let people know they are a seperate community, especially when threatened with violence.
These are times when community is thrust on us. I'd prefer to not be attached to a community personally, if nothing else so you and I would not butt heads, because disagreeing with you means getting called names without regard to another point of view. However, like it or not, Sikhs are being mistaken for communities they are not. For issues which have very little to do with anything in their control.
I am not speaking about any other community. But to tell me Sikhs have no right to let other people know they are a community in and of themselves and we should just succumb to whatever pressure comes our way is pointless.
This does not mean one condones or supports injustice. But I find it ridiculous to think Sikhs can't even go that far. As a community we had NO say in what built up to all of this. I frankly do not think we are up to the challenge. This is an issue that 20 million or so people who identify in some way as Sikh can not handle. We don't have the means or numbers, given that the other communities involved have ties in dozens of countries numbers in the hundreds of millions.
My point of view; leave me and my relatives and the people I know OUT OF THIS because I did not ask for it, want it, or have the slightest say in it. I'd rather move out of the way of this whole issue, which is quite scary of you think about it. Anyone who WANTS to jump into this has got to be crazy in my opinion
Keep your name calling to yourself |
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| 12:29am, 15th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
delighted
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 2535
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Basic,
I don't agree and I think the slogan is fine. I don't condone violence and I am in support of anyone under-going it. But I feel like I have a little say in Sikh affairs, and none whatsoever in other communities. So if I am going to catch hell, I'd like it to be for a community at least I feel a part of.
Thats not a knock on anyone else. Nor does it mean abandoning support for those in need. It means I'm going to do my best to be known as what community I come from, when I am called to name my community
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| 12:35am, 15th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
delighted
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 2537
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We do not have to be sacrificial lambs to causes we don't have say in |
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| 01:43am, 15th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
sunny
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 2538
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yeah, emphasise your differences in times of problems.
you might as well bend over and say: "please mr white nazi - don't be nasty to me, i'm your friend. go and spit at that muslim over there."
justify your viewpoint however you want - it is still cowardice. the khalsa were created to fight all oppression and for everyone, not just be a bunch of self-centred cowards.
if that is what they turn out to be, there is no point in them existing. it becomes a stupid, glorified title.
/sunny |
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| 02:26am, 15th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
delighted
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 2541
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If someone wants to attack a Sikh because they are raging idiots, why should the Sikh not define himself first. There is nothing wrong with pointing out you're a Sikh in times like this. It doesn't matter if the guy is a bigot, I have a right to define myself.
It is crazy to think we have to sit here in this situation and just accept that we're going to be mistaken for whatever.
Its not self-centered because no one is trying to get anyone else beaten up here. Its only one option by the way.
You can't tell me Sikhs had any kind of say in the build up to this tension. There's nothing wrong with pointing that out
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| 02:51am, 15th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
Trump
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Msg no: 2542
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hahaha rinsed like a bi*ch delighted!!  |
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| 09:42am, 15th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
kitten
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Msg no: 2544
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It's not fair on any person to get stick because of the actions of some people. I don't believe we should have to 'identify' our religion/community and feel the need to carry such bags.
I do think that people need to be more educated about Islam though - and also something needs to be done about the imagine that is being portrayed. |
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| 09:55am, 15th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
temptation
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Msg no: 2547
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Thats funny :)
esp. if it was printed under normal circumstances and there was something like that about every other religion.
Maybe its safe for you guys at the moment but I think its better to educate others instead of labeling yourself. Using these items will have a long term effect on your community.
Are you always going to hide or fear others because of problems? We all know its never going to end.
Other races must accept you and learn about the differences, esp in places like London.
These items imply that other religions are a threat. Isnt this going to increase people's fear of muslims? asians?
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| 01:10pm, 15th Aug 2005 |
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sunny
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 2559
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delighted - justify your cowardice however you want to, its still cowardice.
some people even say - well what have muslims done for sikhs? why should we defend them etc etc. but again that's cowardice.
one should have set morals and standards regardless of how others behave. i don't care if the world is full of nasty people, i refuse to go down to that level. i don't care if the world is full of bigots, i refuse to become one.
as i understood it - sikhs were created for the defense of the opressed everywhere and bringing humanity together. they were not created because someone thought 'oh, let me create another religion so i can be the top banda and therefore be worshipped forever'.
/sunny |
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| 02:47pm, 15th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
bally_v
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Msg no: 2577
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its silly, but tell that to the mother of a sikh man who just got shot because he was wearing a turban.
Innocent Sikhs and muslims should not be attacked fullstop. |
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| 03:36pm, 15th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
sunny
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 2581
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tell them what?
your son could have been saved if he wore a t-shirt saying 'please shoot me i'm a sikh, go and shoot a muslim'?
what stupidity.
/sunny |
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| 04:30pm, 15th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
bally_v
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Msg no: 2595
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not t-shirts, im talking about the idea of making people aware you are not muslim
Why are you jumping to conclusions all the time. Chill out. |
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| 04:49pm, 15th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
sunny
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 2600
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yeah go for it bally - tell everyone you're not muslim but a sikh.
but in the context that this is being done, its nothing but cowardice.
a bigot frankly won't give a fuck what the religion is, only the skin colour - and i'm not really going to take the bnp viewpoint that they love sikhs and hindus, just not muslims.
/sunny |
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| 05:03pm, 15th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
DjTiGgEr
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Msg no: 2603
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"justify your viewpoint however you want - it is still cowardice. the khalsa were created to fight all oppression and for everyone, not just be a bunch of self-centred cowards."
Sunny your statement only applies to Khalsa (thats with amrit, the panj khakars, and the actual spiritual and mental fortitude to be on that path). So that arguement doesn't apply to most "SIKHS" heck most "SIKHS" aren't even that but thats a whole other bag of monkeys. Soo those that need this crutch you can judge them out of your own personal right just as they can define themselves with their community regardless of how cowardly it may seem.
I understand what delighted is trying to say, but fact is most people can't really claim to be a part of the sikh community. Ethnically speaking they are punjabi claiming to be sikh is very misleading. Especially if the people do not adhere to being a part of the Khalsa panth. This is where Sunny's statement applies for standing up to protect all humanity.
In conclusion I figure all the "SIKHS" should just claim to punjabi or worst caste british indians and u'll be fine. Religiously people won't care specially if person A looks like a muslim and so does Person B even though one of them isn't. Religion has not face unless your actually are a Gursikh then you can detach yourself from your responsiblity.
Thats my peace for this week wish me luck I am going to do the long 4 lap run around SGGS this weekend. |
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| 05:08pm, 15th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
warriors_of_truth
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Msg no: 2605
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Good luck Tigger! |
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| 05:13pm, 15th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
bally_v
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Msg no: 2606
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LOOOOL
sunny do you actually realise i said the the idea of making people aware you are not muslim is silly? Please read my posts carefully before you use your fingers, otherwise theres is no point discussing anything with you. |
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| 05:15pm, 15th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
DjTiGgEr
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 2607
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I apologize once again for my horrible grammer.
"Religion has not face unless your actually are a Gursikh then you can detach yourself from your responsiblity."
This was menat to say (I think)..
Religion has no face unless one actually is a Gursikh, and then one cannot detach themselves from their resposbilities as a protector.
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| 05:25pm, 15th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
sunny
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 2612
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lmao at this discussion.
tigger - well i don't share your condescending attitude.
bally - my statement was in reponse to this: but tell that to the mother of a sikh man who just got shot because he was wearing a turban.
if you are agreeing with me, then we have no argument.
/sunny |
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| 05:40pm, 15th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
delighted
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 2613
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I think its cowardice to sit here and be forced to keep quite about being a Sikh. How weird is it we're having a discussion on whether or not someone can express to other people their religion in this or any context
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| 05:51pm, 15th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
delighted
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 2615
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I haven't gotten rinsed at all.
There's nothing wrong with telling people you're a Sikh
If other communities considered the repracussions on the Sikh community of what they've been doing, then that would be different, but only a slightly
I don't believe in a world-wide community of believers. I don't believe that my problems are going to be solved by religious leaders giving decrees. I am not part of that community and I have no say in what they do. And I don't want any. I am a SIKH
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| 05:55pm, 15th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
sunny
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 2618
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*yawn*
yeah keep telling yourself that delighted.
/sunny |
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| 05:56pm, 15th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
delighted
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 2620
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whatever |
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| 06:03pm, 15th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
delighted
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 2622
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"Are you always going to hide or fear others because of problems"
Yeah because thats always been a problem for us
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| 11:47pm, 15th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
Basic
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 2637
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...and it's been a problem for us |
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| 01:56am, 16th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
delighted
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 2645
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what gall you have
Saying you are a Sikh and then defendig the rights of others works together
Catching hell while being told you can not define your own community does not work
many people feel this way
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| 08:13am, 16th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
DjTiGgEr
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 2646
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The pot calling the kettle black. |
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| 02:14pm, 16th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
delighted
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 2677
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what would you say to a person who was brown and was telling people he's not religious at all
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| 02:21pm, 16th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
Basic
[Profile - Diary]
Msg no: 2680
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i'd laugh at him or her |
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| 03:04pm, 16th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
delighted
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Msg no: 2687
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its ok for a brown person to not be religious and say it
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| 03:43pm, 16th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
Basic
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Msg no: 2691
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I never said it was ok or not ok. I just don't see how you would incorporate that in a conversation.
"Hello my name is Basic"
response
"Hello my name is XXXX and I don't believe in religion"
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"Hello my name is Basic"
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"Hi my name is Delighted and I am NOT and I repeat NOT a Muslim, I am a Sikh let me repeat SIKH, do you know the history of Sikhi?? Well let me tell you.........."
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| 03:45pm, 16th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
Basic
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Msg no: 2692
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ramming your religion, culture or history down peoples throats doesn't do much. |
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| 03:53pm, 16th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
grimlock
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Msg no: 2693
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Ignorance of peoples faiths does little
In the media you have pictures of Bin Ladena nd his number two, who both wear turbans. So unfortunately turbanned people are now looked upon as terrorists. A little education can do no harm to anyone. It's not a matter of saying oh don't attack us attack Muslims. It's a matter of identity, It's important people know the differance in faiths. |
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| 04:00pm, 16th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
grimlock
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Msg no: 2694
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They should make you do GCSE Religious Education, at least that way people can understand each others faiths and have a little more respect. |
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| 04:02pm, 16th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
grimlock
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Msg no: 2695
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Also stating who you are doe's not make you a coward at all. You should be proud of your faitha nd not feel like you have to hide it and your beliefs. |
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| 04:06pm, 16th Aug 2005 |
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Basic
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Msg no: 2696
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I am not denying that grimlock. But there has to be a context in educating people.
Secondly, why does it have to be important FOR THEM! to know.
Many of us don't know who we are, don't you think its best that we find ourselves first as people.
We should be judged as people not by the label attached to us.
Looking at it from a Muslim perspective, Islam gives guidance to the individual, it is through the persons individual actions that determins if you are a likeable or not so likeable character.
If I am well mannered, treat people with respect, have a friendly nature etc...that will reflect on other people, they'd want to know me more and as they know me more they learn from me and so on.
If I come across all militant and say "I AM A MUSLIM!!! ACKNOWLEDGE ME AS A MUSLIM!!!" people are just gonna laugh, not because i'm a Muslim, it's because i'm a dimwit.
There are ways and means to educate people, and one of the best ways to educate people is through action, not by lectures. |
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| 04:09pm, 16th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
Basic
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Msg no: 2699
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grimlock
As for GCSE RE, I think it has become compulsory.
I don't agree with it, because in my experience I don't think RE teachers do their jobs properly.
RE should be made compulsory but there shouldn't be one teacher but a representative of each faith to teach their faith to people.
I have heard some bizarre stuff said by RE teachers, i've lost faith (excuse the pun) in them. |
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| 04:13pm, 16th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
Basic
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Msg no: 2700
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grimlock
As for religious pride, I treat it with caution. I am not proud to be a Muslim as pride leads to a destructive state of boastfulness.
I was born Muslim, so being a Muslim is a blessing for me.
Religious pride can be turned into something destructive in the way that people start parading their religious symbols in peoples faces. That I don't like and it is not a sign of being pious which every religion ordains.
Be happy with what you are yes! Educate people about it, when relevant, but don't shove it in peoples faces. |
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| 04:14pm, 16th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
grimlock
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Msg no: 2701
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Basic unfortunately some people are labelling all Asians as potential terrorists. It's important for them to realise that we are not all terrorists. I can think of these fashion braclets people wear, like Aids and cancer charities etc. It just to make people aware. So maybe they would think before they decide to stare at innocents or label all asians as bad terrorists.
Its about educating people not lecturing them. |
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| 04:16pm, 16th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
grimlock
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Msg no: 2702
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With GCSE RE students should be taken to all faiths religious buildings like Churches and Mosques etc and then given a talk on that religion by a follower of that faith. |
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| 04:17pm, 16th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
grimlock
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Msg no: 2703
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No I did'nt mean pride as in oh I'm Sikh aint I cool. But pride in the sense that you are not afraid of your roots or identity. people know what faith you are from. |
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| 05:09pm, 16th Aug 2005 |
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Basic
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Msg no: 2705
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grimlock
so we get labelled as potential terrorists, prior to that we were labelled as thieving corner shop owners, dodgy taxi drivers and curry house owners.
Now with one label removed another one has come on us and after that one another one will be placed on us.
Like I said before bigotts will remain bigotts depending on the sign of the times. The average joe who has even had a basic level of education knows that not all Asians are terrorists, and even if they feel paranoid. We can't help that. I aint gonna go up to that person and open my gym bag and say
"seee I have gym gear, not a bomb"
It's just pathetic, just be normal, because bigots have been calling you and me names for a long time and they will continue name calling.
People have enough brains to point out bigots themselves we don't need to point the finger at them. |
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| 06:08pm, 16th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
delighted
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Msg no: 2709
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If thats what you think this is about, thats news to me
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| 06:11pm, 16th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
Basic
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Msg no: 2710
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welcome to the real world delighted, not very nice is it? |
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| 06:20pm, 16th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
delighted
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Msg no: 2711
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no the point is not
whether or not to harangue people about your religion. most people know thats an unwanted thing to do, hopefully becoming more unwanted. when someone assumes what community you belong it, you are within your rights to let people know their community
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| 06:21pm, 16th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
delighted
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Msg no: 2712
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*your community |
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| 06:39pm, 16th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
lutonzpaki
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Msg no: 2714
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the slogan "Dont freak, I'm a Sikh" is not too good. Because it implies that you should freak if there is a Muslim. |
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| 07:25pm, 16th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
Basic
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Msg no: 2720
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delighted
so they assume it in discourse, then you can correct them.
but what if they assume by thought alone.
what are you going to do there? |
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| 07:51pm, 16th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
delighted
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Msg no: 2724
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thats up to the person themselves |
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| 08:03pm, 16th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
gemologist
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Msg no: 2725
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instead of giving labels to urselves and proving to others that we are either muslims or sikhs.. y not go out and teach these people that we are sikhs and whats the soul purpose.... sikhs and muslims are same.. our religion is based on humanity.. so y not take advantage of it and let the masses know... sat shri akal |
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| 08:16pm, 16th Aug 2005 |
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Basic
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Msg no: 2727
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so delighted I don't see what your issue is?
If people are going to assume in private there is sweet f all you can do about it. That is what i'm talking about.
As I said, a bigot will remain a bigot.
gemologist
I said this earlier on, many Sikhs don't know what it means to be Sikh just the same as many Muslims don't know what it means to be Muslim. How many actually try and follow the teachings of their own faiths?
Before we can inform people about what it is to be Muslim or Sikh, we need to know that ourselves and we need to focus on our own communities because our own communities are deluded.
It's only after you have tackled the issues there that you can realistically branch out to those that don't practice the faith.
Trust me, we need the education more than those that we say need to be educated...how can we possibly teach anyone anything when we as a people don't know the true meanings about what we are. |
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| 09:41pm, 16th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
delighted
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Msg no: 2734
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they're are things people can do and they are right to try them
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| 09:50pm, 16th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
Basic
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Msg no: 2737
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like? |
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| 10:24pm, 16th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
Enlightenment
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Msg no: 2738
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I think the number of Sikhs shot dead as a result of 11/09 is in double figures. Clearly Sikhs need to educate people about who/what Sikhs are.
If Muslims were being killed in a similar situations I'm pretty sure Muslims would raise a lot of publicity about who/what muslims are.
I think the t-shirts are a bit silly, but Sikhs should raise awareness about the religion, personally it pisses me off that the image of a Sikh is what most goreh associate with the image of a terrorist. Sikhs have themselves to blame with regards to this because we haven't done anything as a community. Immediately after 11/09 and the London bombings muslim leaders were working in tandem with police raising issues effecting their communities whereas Sikhs do nothing, get attacked have gurdwaras vandalised and if we do something about it, its called 'cowardice' I'm sorry but thats just bullshit.
Maybe the t-shirts are not the right way, but Sikhs need to raise awareness and part of that is to make people realise that we are a community in our own right.
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| 12:49am, 17th Aug 2005 |
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delighted
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Msg no: 2748
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Holding informational meetings does not help the problem because the vast majority of adults will never attend an informational meeting. If thats what we are hemmed into, then we might as well sign ourselves up for more bad news.
We should be doing things in public, informally, as often as we like to get ourselves out from under a cloud of suspicion because we have nothing to be suspicious over. Thats got nothing to do with any other community. If they have nothing to be suspicious over, by all means let that be heard. Plenty of Sikhs will help you. From the start Sikhs as a group have been very supportive.
We have a problem in our community of people being shot, beaten, and harrassed. Thats not a side-effect. Its the main problem. And we've every right to try and solve it
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| 09:03am, 17th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
DrAlban
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Msg no: 2755
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"the slogan "Dont freak, I'm a Sikh" is not too good. Because it implies that you should freak if there is a Muslim."
how does that work? |
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| 12:56pm, 17th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
happy
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Msg no: 2768
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it pisses me off knowing that amrtari sikhs get mistaken for the stereotypical suicide bomber.
That shirt is a bit shit - but i dont see whats wrong in taking a slightly unortodox approach to telling people that simply wearing a turban and sporting a beard does not make you threat.
From a sikhs point of view, a religion that believes in protecting those that cant protect themselve it seriously disturbs me when people associate the turban and beard with terrorism.
...... and i see nothing wrong in pointing out that fact, that as a sikh i am not a threat.... cos lets face it the average jo is unlikely to go away and read about sikhism.... |
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| 01:09pm, 17th Aug 2005 |
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Basic
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Msg no: 2770
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Happy
it pisses me off knowing that Muslims who wear white turbans and have beards get associated as the stereotypical suicide bomber.
Someone who dresses in this attire does not wear the attire to come across like a Bin Laden wannabe. It is just how they perceive their own dress code in the faith, it's just coincidental that Bin Laden dresses that way because it is on dress code were the similarities might lie. When it comes to religious practice the chances are they may be indeed very different.
The amrtari sikh also sticks to a dress code, were people associate a similarity.
But that aint the fault of the amrtari sikh nor to the turban wearing Muslim.
The only way that the person can come up trumps is by his own positive actions.
But this whole idea of 'hey don't freak i'm a sikh' or 'don't panic, i'm islamic' doesn't seem to help.
To me it's just likea gora sayin
'Hey I'm white, but not a racist!'
I think its stupid that the person has to state that claim, even though many non whites accuse whites of being racists.
What i'm saying is that nobody has nothing to prove to anyone, the only thing that you need to prove is prove by actions rather than slogans. |
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| 01:45pm, 17th Aug 2005 |
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happy
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Msg no: 2780
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prove by action...... thats exactly what the terrorist are doing... aint it?
ok i know what your saying.... but that would only work in a perfect world....
its exactly the same as the deal with hoodies and asbos..... what you going to do don a hoodie and then help old ladies accross the street? as proof by positive action?...
we have nothing to prove.....
surely education is what should be focused on, telling people that turban and beard have nothing to do with terrorism..... |
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| 02:24pm, 17th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
next_gyal
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Msg no: 2786
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I found this on ebay - quite amuzing!
![](\"http://images.auctionworks.com/hi/66/65886/islamic.jpg\")
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| 02:25pm, 17th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
sunny
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Msg no: 2787
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unorthodox approach?? bullshit, those above are the words of a coward.
it totally negates the philosophy behind sikhism.
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| 02:27pm, 17th Aug 2005 |
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Basic
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Msg no: 2788
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I knew you were gonna bring hoodies into it 
It is a valid point.
Indeed some people need to be educated but it is down to the quality of the education and who the education is targetted at.
As I said before, if someone has hated your kind from day one they will STILL hate your kind because they are bigots.
As for the larger masses of normal people, if they don't know who a Sikh is and what Sikhi is about it is understandable that people need to be educated. The best medium being Television.
I'm all for educatin, but it has to be done right.
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| 02:29pm, 17th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
next_gyal
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Msg no: 2790
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"Dont panic, i'm islamic"
Or on this link if it doesnt come up:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/DONT-PANIC-IM-ISLAMIC-T-Shirt_W0QQitemZ8327301601QQcategoryZ53054QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting |
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| 02:40pm, 17th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
happy
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Msg no: 2792
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Youre right basic, some people just wont change... they have their own views and there is very little room for compromise.... no matter how much you try to educate them they will never understand where other people are coming from
.... be it the suidebombers all the way or tree hugging hippies....
...you cant win them all.... |
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| 02:49pm, 17th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
happy
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Msg no: 2793
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i was just thinking that me wearing a turban is a way of saying im sikh, it an integral part of a sikhs identy...the turban is a label in its self.....all be it a label that many westerners maynot be able to read.....
.........so whats the difference in that and having a shirt saying "im a sikh"..... both are saying "im a sikh" to me.... but others see it differently...
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| 04:07pm, 17th Aug 2005 |
Dont freak, I'm a sikh |
Basic
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Msg no: 2795
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I can't pass a judgement on that to be honest.
But to me wearing a turban is a statement yes, but is it not also seen as a requirement for that person?
Have they not made a pact in some way to wear the turban out of respect???
The way I see it, it is there for the sake of identity but it is also there as part of a religious obligation which is why orthodox Muslims grow beards, it helps with identifying someone as Muslim but it is also a requirement.
A T shirt, or a backpack is not a religious obligation.
Also the message of the turban or the skull cap or the beard has more of an impact than a t shirt, if people cant read english, what is the point of that message?
Were as here you have someon who is showing a visual symbol of their faith, well if the persons blind they cannot see the symbol, but they can certainly feel the symbol, they can feel the turban, they can feel the shape of the beard...yet a t shirt has a message that cant be read either by the blind or by those that cant read English.
But going off that topic, I am sure that a Sikhs turban is something that is sacred just like a Muslim mans beard. They have worn or grown those things for the sake of religion which is what gives it that idea of sacredness.
You can remove the t shirt without a quarm, but would you shave your beard or just take your pa | |
